[00:00] Tayson: Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Live Ultralight Podcast, powered by Outdoor Vitals. Today. In this episode we have another episode of the Ask OV podcast. This is a shorter form podcast where we answer listener and customer questions. These questions. Vary from product related questions to just backpacking gear questions in general.
[00:22] Tayson: Been a few weeks since we had you on the mic, both of us have been out of office a lot. What have you been up to this summer? Brigham? Before we dive into answers, some of these actually follow up on our last OV
[00:33] Brigham: at
[00:34] Tayson: Ask OV episode. We had some good Follow-up questions.
[00:37] Brigham: Uh, yeah. Been out of the office a lot. Yeah. I can't remember. Yeah, I don't remember what I've set up. I've been doing since the last one, but few backpacking trips. We had Colorado Trail. Took my family up on a trip. Backpacking in Idaho like Three days or four days after that.
[01:00] Tayson: Was a quick Turn and Burn.
[01:01] Brigham: Yeah.
[01:02] Tayson: Like a 11 day window. You saw that like nine. Yes,
[01:08] Brigham: a lot of consecutive or in a tight window, a lot of nice in the mountains, which was good. uh, yeah, other than that, when I, when I've been home, has just been Playing catch up with. Everything that happens when I'm out of the office.
[01:24] Brigham: So yeah, I
[01:26] Tayson: love the Four Seasons but I don't know how. It seems like you have to cram everything into each season, specifically summer. It's extremely busy. Like my kids are going back into school now and I'm not too sad about it for their sake and for myself.
[01:44] Tayson: Yeah
[01:44] Brigham: I feel like this is one of the Really busy. Summer. It's all good. It's all doing good things. So but yeah, it's been kind of formed by Yeah,
[01:58] Tayson: well, do some trip recaps as well. We have an episode that we're gonna be filming on our OV 100 hike out in Colorado. And some of the highlights and lowlights and just what that trip was as a lot of fun. But it was it was some adaptations needed to be made in terms of where we hiked and things that happened along the trail, so that'll be a good one.
[02:21] Tayson: Make sure you guys stay tuned to that one. Yeah, we'll keep, we'll, we'll do some more trip highlights. We've been out of office a lot, but a lot of it has been in the mountains and backpacking. I'm looking forward to some trips up to Wyoming, over the next month, I plan to be up there a few times.
[02:37] Tayson: So, yeah, I know you've got some good trip next week. So, yeah. Lots of time out. Hope you guys are all also getting out in the field, but let's Jump Right In. So, first question up, is a bit of a follow-up to our discussion on water filters.
[02:52] Tayson: We had a lot of comments actually, not all questions, but just even comments about water filters and what the the conversation is really about, like, Air bubbles, trapping and water filters, water filters, potentially failing. When you very first take them out and people just commenting on.
[03:08] Tayson: I think a lot of people find that really interesting and it's not something you typically think about typically, think about you get the water filter, you take out there, it's a brand new filter or maybe it's worked at home and or whatever it is and it just works and you're in the field, but it's not always the case.
[03:21] Tayson: So, go back to that episode. I believe it's the Ask OV Episode 12 if you want to go listen to that. Got a lot of buzz on that, but this is a bit of a follow-up question from Jen. What about water? What? Excuse me?
[03:36] Tayson: What about winter? Use of water filters. All summer. I've kept water filter in the mesh bag on the outer pocket of the pack. From this OV episode discussion. I'm now wondering how worried I need to be in the winter about filters freezing. Do you shift from keeping it inside your pack or a jacket?
[03:54] Tayson: I know at night to protect it. But what about hiking during the day? Pretty straightforward.
[04:01] Brigham: Yeah. was I'll tell you what I do is Let's just generalize it to Winter. Like this comment is I just don't even use water filter in the winter time. I don't pack one, I don't bring one. I plan on I always pack water purification tablets.
[04:24] Brigham: They're called AquaTabs. They're sold by Cascade Designs which is like the parent company of like MSR and Therm-a-Rest. So I always carry those in the winter time. And I just find on melting snow. So between those two things, I don't even take a water filter in the winter time, because that's Yeah, between the tablets and melting snow and carrying what I need for a day.
[04:53] Brigham: I've never had trouble with water. assumption in that way because I would just rather not even worried about You know where do I draw the line with the water filter? if overnight lows are consistently, Below freezing, you know, night after night you know a week leading up to a trip in the forecast shows that in a trip.
[05:16] Brigham: I just don't even bring a water filter. So Let's, let's kind of dissect that just a little bit
[05:22] Tayson: more. One of the reasons is the likelihood. You find any running water to filter goes down significantly if you're in those cold of conditions. So filtering water is less likely. To keep that in mind, depending on how cold the trip actually is and if they're really is gonna be water to filter.
[05:42] Tayson: That being said, I'm similar to you. I am, I usually pack in a lot of water so that I don't have to melt a lot of water because one thing and people don't realize is melting. Water takes a ton of gas if you're using a gas canister stove, we use titanium wood, burning stoves, a decent amount in the winter.
[06:00] Tayson: And obviously with that like It's kind of nice because you're going at like get into your tent to like 6 p.m. because it's dark and you just sit there for hours, you've got plenty of time to sit there and melt snow and hang out.
[06:12] Tayson: So we do that quite a bit with those titanium stoves, other than that, melting snow different stoves, work better in the winter, but maybe won't get into that. In terms of, you know, you've been using white gas stoves and and so, there's, there's some efficiency things folks on their, but I think maybe a slightly more beneficial Thing to talk about would be what about shoulder Seasons?
[06:36] Tayson: What about like fall early spring? It's freezing at night and so yes, you already touched on my we sleep with our filters typically at night time. What about daytime when it's like maybe it's on the cusp, you know, a freezing. I know one thing that I do is just like we talked about last episode, I get most of the water out of my filter by like blowing in it and kind of shaking it now.
[06:58] Tayson: That's not Actually, I have no idea whether that's even effective it, helping a filter from freezing or not. So, one thing I do, but I don't know if it's effective. So, one thing I will do in these cold air conditions is instead of keeping on the outside of my bag, I'll put it on the inside of my bag.
[07:13] Tayson: Maybe even towards the back panel of my bag and that helps to trap in heat. It's not fluctuating temperatures as hard and as fast, and if it's packed in there around clothes or sleeping pad, you know, stuff like that. So sleeping bag, it has a little bit of insulation and a little bit of an ability to not just accidentally freeze when you're right on the line of freezing and and not
[07:37] Brigham: freezing. So, Yeah, honestly, I think. I mean, because the So it, if we walk through the practice of using a filter, let's say its 28 degrees outside, you get to a stream, you filter some water. That is now whatever the water temperature is.
[07:59] Brigham: combine that with the ambient temperature, That is now the maximum temperature, that that water filter will be. So even if you stick that inside a coat, like a puffy, right? That's just going to insulate, that temperature will not change. So the only way to affect or increase the temperature of that filter is with body heat.
[08:20] Brigham: So you either put it inside a jacket pocket that you are wearing up against your body or you will actually be able to warm up the temperature of that filter by putting it right up against the back panel, inside your pack because your jack, your your back will generate so much heat that you actually could potentially slightly increase the temperature of that filter, but aside from body heat, like nothing else is actually going to raise that.
[08:48] Brigham: So, That's what is happening. Is so if you put that inside a pack wrap up in a puffy, you're just keeping it at that, at that temperature, so, There's there's just something to keep in mind with whatever method you use to store and access your filter.
[09:07] Tayson: Yeah. Yeah, well that gain some insight. I mean most the time the daytime Highs are higher than freezing if you're getting into daytime highs lower than freezing. You know, that's when a filter may not be worth bringing, you know. Yeah, wrap that back up.
Editor’s note: Water-filter use in freezing conditions is general discussion only. Follow current manufacturer instructions for freeze exposure, storage, priming, backflushing, and integrity testing.
[09:25] Tayson: so, here's another question from Brian related to water in general, and this one is Who this one is tough? I kinda I'll be interested to see what you say about this, but I've got my thoughts on it as well. My biggest trip planning, fear and weakness is water Logistics, except for far constant concentrate.
[09:45] Tayson: Water spots. Do not seem to be listed as far as concrete. Sorry. Sorry concrete water spots, they don't seem to be listed. Topo maps, go crazy with springs that seemed to drive up years ago, a little bit of help in this area would be greatly appreciated.
[09:59] Tayson: So what he's saying is like you can look at a map and you can see water lines. You can see Springs you can see dotted water lines and you cannot just rely solely on some maps saying that they're is water in a drainage.
[10:16] Tayson: To actually have water in the drainage and it is a very frustrating thing. When You're Expecting water to be somewhere, it's not that can put you in a really bad spot. So, I'll let you answer first to bring him, but how do you go about like handling that and dealing with that?
[10:36] Brigham: Yeah. I mean, in the most generalized terms, I place very little trust and confidence in what I see on a map. That's that, I would say. In the level of least confidence, that's where I would place. Like very low confidence, I'm going to just assign low confidence and Trust to a map.
[11:01] Brigham: Just because it says, spring, the reason that is is because I have been in the mountains, a lot and compared what I see in the mountains, to what I see on a map, a lot and they almost never are the same and so, A little more Nuance is yes if you look at a topographic map you will see there are different markings for water, like there will be the markings on the top of map that does say spring.
[11:31] Brigham: You can look for like Tayson said, little blue lines that are sometimes dashed or dotted or solid so dashed or dotted blue lines. Generally indicate a seasonal or intermittent flow of water, whether that's an inch wide or 10 feet wide, but it's intermittent and just consider that I consider that that it doesn't exist.
[11:55] Brigham: So I never ever, ever plan, or rely on a dotted or dashed water line for a water source. and I will, I would go so far as I don't even rely on something that says spring, because most of the time, in my experience, that's never actually been the truth on the ground.
[12:18] Brigham: That's so. If I'm gonna rely on something on a map, I will have increased trust and and confidence in a solid water line. Meaning like And especially if that water line now has a name. So it's says, like such and such Creek or such and such.
[12:38] Brigham: Brook or river. Obviously if something's labeled as a river way more likely to be a consistent, reliable flow of water than if it says Creek. But that's like my step up and confidence is a solid blue water line that says that has a name Creek to it.
[12:57] Brigham: But even then I've seen plenty of those be totally dry. In in the middle of summer and in the in the in the Mountain West, the middle of summer. should be a pretty almost maximum level of water flow, so the water Sources in the Mountain West.
[13:18] Brigham: The Rocky Mountains are all dependent on. The snowpack from the Year. Yes, there are like intermittent or seasonal monsoonal flows that happen, but From the most part, the mountains are all dependent on snowpack and snow melt. So like if it's the middle of July, That's like the best chance out of that exists that there will be flowing water on any marked streamer or anything.
[13:44] Brigham: So, I'm just saying that I've seen in the middle of July, plenty of marked streams that just aren't even there. They're not even in existence the same thing with springs, so it's tough. you know, obviously going to places that you've been before you can start to Catalog season after season, after season, after season, and have a lot of confidence and in water water resources.
[14:11] Brigham: and just a lot of uses have to put a lot of Personal experience and comparing that to a map now with some of the apps if they're mapping applications or hiking applications so mapping applications would be like onX, AllTrails. Hiking applications would be overlapping it to all Trails but FarOut guides okay.
[14:39] Brigham: Those are quite useful, because if it's an established Trail, users are able to hike through a trail and then update and say like, hey, I hiked past this spring on this date and there was water on it. So, like, on the Colorado Trail, we are able to get pretty accurate useful, pertinent information that I would say.
[15:06] Brigham: Sometimes did and did not jive with what was shown on onX Maps, for example, and onX Maps. I just want to make everyone aware like any of these. mapping software is that you pay a subscription for Part of their value proposition. To us is to tell us how many features they offer.
[15:26] Brigham: Right. So the more landmarks details that they can list on a list of this is what they include in their mapping software, the more that seems valuable to the consumer. However, they're going to take as much mapped data as they can to cram into their mapping so that it seems more valuable to the consumer.
[15:48] Brigham: But a lot of the times. Most of that is worthless so they like I'm definitely calling that out don't rely so much on a mapping software's information because a lot of it's there just so they can make a buck just so they can get you to sign up because it's, you know, if they've got 17 more features than the next mapping software then.
[16:12] Brigham: You're more likely to sign up for their subscription.
[16:16] Tayson: Yeah, I think too, like the better Maps, if you're really something like onX part of their value proposition, to is like to take a lot of maps and combine things, which can mean that maybe this like dotted blue line up, put on there from a 1970s map or like this old.
[16:34] Tayson: Blogging Trail got put in from a 1970s map, which is valuable to know that there was a logging Trail here at one point even if it's No longer maintained and it's old and it's a bunch of Fallen trees and so there's there's that too like you could be looking at a dotted blue or blue line that is just like it's not been in existence for years and years so it's still valuable to know kind of like I still like it.
[16:57] Tayson: I still like the most detail impossibly get on the map but You can't just rely on it just like, you know, Brian was alluding to here. So, Kind of agree. I view it a little bit as a research and art form. But a couple things to note there, you know, same, I'm the same as you I don't ever rely on a daughter, Blue Line, solid.
[17:20] Tayson: Blue line is still very Hit or Miss. I look for for names of creeks and things like that, that typically gives you a much more concrete idea. If it's a bigger flowing Creek or a smaller flowing, Creek Springs can also be seasonal. So that's something to know watching snowpack for the years important because I was gonna say like oh and general spring you know a lot of this is flowing and but it's not really the case it's more.
[17:43] Tayson: So when the snow starts to melt is your highest likelihood of finding water. And all of the places are more of the places. And as early spring, not so much and then you get into the fall and it's everything's really drying up. Yeah, so that's all.
[18:00] Tayson: So part of why it OV we build backpacks that are capable of carrying heavier weight of water because a lot of times what I end up doing is if I'm not sure about a water source, I hope for the best. But I don't plan on it.
[18:18] Tayson: Meaning if I, if there's not water here, I need to lead to the next water source that I can plan on if this one's dry. And so sometimes that does mean just packing more water for safety. but I, you know, it is a Spend time.
[18:36] Tayson: Looking at the software, look at the maps. Spend time figuring that out pull in as much information, or you watching multiple Creeks feed into it? You know? Is it look like the farther you go down. If there's more likely to be water in case you get to the top of the drainage and there's no water and you feel like you're gonna need to follow it down to find water.
[18:56] Tayson: If there is, these are all really valuable questions. There are when you go to You know, applications such as AllTrails sometimes reviewers will give you also feedback like that. So reading or reviews on Trails is also really valuable obviously looking for actual lakes or looking for actual ponds.
[19:20] Tayson: Is also a better way to go about it than relying on you know the dotted blue that the dreaded dotted blue line.
[19:27] Brigham: Yeah.
[19:28] Tayson: So you know being like okay I have a lake in six miles. I have a potential water source in three miles on our plan to get to the lake just to be careful and if there's water in the middle maybe I drink extra and I you know, or something.
[19:41] Tayson: But but I try to plan accordingly for what I feel is more concrete because I think running out of water. Is one of the more dangerous things that can happen to you in the mountains, especially depending on how far it is to get to the next water.
[19:58] Tayson: There's even time. So, I've had to completely reroute myself, when water has been drying an area, and it's like, I can't get to the next water area. Now, I've got a deviate, my trail. I've got a deviate my plan to accommodate that. So, so yeah.
[20:12] Tayson: Properly, like, doing the Recon. And research is, is really helpful. It's really frustrated. That is part of the cost of your paying to get into the more remote sections of, you know, the Mountain West. so, Unfortunately, there's not just a, you know, if it says this on a map, you're good.
[20:32] Tayson: If it says this on a map, you're not good trail time Trail experience, definitely helps. But I would spend time looking for reviews, I'd spend time really looking at the map and really thinking about the probability of water based on snowpack. And and how many things are draining in there?
[20:48] Tayson: Potentially just all those things. Definitely Factor up hiking on a more established Trail. So just the Colorado Trail the PCT and you have an app like far out very, very valuable to look at the reviews on the water sources and how early they were updated.
[21:07] Tayson: And one side note, I'll just note on that. There's on the Colorado Trail. One thing I was noticing a lot
[21:14] Brigham: is
[21:14] Tayson: it was only marking water. When the trail, like, physically crossed the water. Sometimes there's actually water 100 yards to the side of us. Yeah, it won't Mark that as water. So it's still as valuable to just be aware of the topo map itself and a hiking application such as as far out.
[21:33] Tayson: So that gives you some context because the reality is we're also figuring that out for each
[21:41] Brigham: of ours too. Yeah. I mean it's it's a never-ending. Planning and execution. practice like there's no, there's no such thing as arriving at Having now learned exactly what to do or how to solve this problem, right? It's, it's an ever-present obstacle. Or challenge for anybody.
[22:06] Brigham: Like we all have to drink water. We all consume, and our body processes, water different. So like every single individual has to look at it differently. And yeah, I mean it the, the challenge in the fear is definitely understandable and acknowledge and it just oh, the most confidence comes from just experience doing something experience in it and and in all in a variety of conditions and so Yeah, I
[22:41] Tayson: think the last thing I'd say on that is you can learn a lot when you first show up to a mountain range, right? So, if you're going to go into say, the Wind Rivers and Wyoming like Ton of water there you can it's quite a reliable water sources and and stuff but you know like a Wilderness in our backyard here called the Pine Valley.
[23:01] Tayson: If you were to show up there and you go to your first water source and you're like, dang, this is dry as a bone, then you can look at your whole trip and be like, okay, this now means that I cannot rely on these potential water sources anymore because this mountain is dry.
[23:15] Tayson: And then at that point, like you have to rely on the more stable because you can kind of flag water on the trail and be like, this is a potential, this is solid, this one's a lake, this one's a maybe you know and and then you can plan accordingly to that which is also why having just the ability sometimes and you show up at a trail to add more water or carry more water.
[23:39] Tayson: It's one of the reasons I've I've now switched using the the CNOC two-liter. like water, bladder and I put that on the end of my my Water filter, but what I like about how having that big of a bag is, you know, not only do I have like my Smartwater bottles or my other bottles that I'm using.
[23:58] Tayson: But now I've got a two liter backup, you know, if it is really dry, I can just put dirty water and they're not filter. It carry it, and I can be hiking with, you know, five or six liters of water, if I have to.
[24:10] Tayson: But You know, if it's not that way, then I can just keep my water right at two liters or something more in that range. So having that ability to kind of scale up water carries and down. I would say it's also important and sometimes you can, you can learn at what's going to be the reality not very far down the trail for how dry the mountains, feeling and looking
[24:29] Brigham: and I I would just add because I I think it's very real thing for a lot of people, especially the less experience of people are the more this is a challenge. You got to get out and do these things. You gotta try things.
[24:47] Brigham: Because what I never do because I've experienced enough is I'm never a guy. That's so afraid of it that I'm walking around with three gallons of water in my backpack. Okay. That's that's kind of an exaggeration. But I don't ever want to be, even be carrying a gallon of water, like I avoid carrying water as much as possible.
[25:09] Brigham: The more you care, the more weight you carry, the more you are exerting yourself and the more water demands you're placing on your body. So like I try to carry no more than two liters of water at any given time as much as possible.
[25:22] Brigham: I carry more than that. If the conditions and the route ahead is telling me, I should probably carry a little bit more than this, but that's the, the big thing is. Don't let fear make you carry so much water that. Now, you're going to wear your body out and not have a good experience.
[25:43] Brigham: And it's there's a lot of new ones in there. There's a lot of trial and error the has to take place but I would say like that should be the goal is to not carry, you know. More water than you really need to.
Editor’s note: Water-source planning and water-carry decisions depend on current conditions, route, weather, personal needs, and official/local information.
[26:00] Tayson: Okay, hopefully I was helpful, Brian. I've got another question here. It's a little more related to food and it's kind of a follow-up question. I believe to an episode. We did from Christine says, I plan for 1500 to 1700 calories a day. For my one to five day, hikes.
[26:21] Tayson: And then for six days, plus I packed 2,300 per day. I'm not sure exactly why that varies with her, but I don't eat processed food, so I don't really do snacks. I take beef sticks and some homemade trail. Mix for Midday and that's it.
[26:34] Tayson: I don't find it necessary to take so many calories. I've never felt like I needed more than that. so, prior to the fact that in the past, We've shared some of the amount of calories that we take on Hikes and on the Colorado travel.
[26:51] Tayson: We just went on. I was carrying about 4,000 calories per day, Sometimes even a hair more and then she's a, you know, so she's over here saying like well on my hikes like this, I'm only taking, you know, 1600 calories. So, that's why I do.
[27:06] Tayson: Try anytime that I'm referring to the amount of calories. I eat, I try to get context. Context. I think really matters. So I don't really know. Christine, she could be 120 pounds. Gal, she could be somewhere in a totally different, but I'll try to say like, look, I'm a 200 to 210 pound, six-foot-two guy.
[27:24] Tayson: Like I I need more food to do. What I need to do all of context and terms of how many miles I'm doing a day. What the trip itinerary is my own demands go up and down. If I'm doing a low exertion trip yeah I'm carrying more like 3,000 calories.
[27:41] Tayson: But if I'm doing a very high exertion trip, I like to have 4,000 calories and that's something I have personally dialed in overtime. The other Factor here too is like what the exertion is, right? If you're doing Grand Canyon rim-to-rim and you are climbing, massive amounts and descending, massive amounts.
[27:59] Tayson: And not walking that much flat Trail at all. That's a different level of calorie need. Then walking on a paved Flat Road, right? And so, I think, the context really matters here and it's something that that takes time to dial in. But it also like, you just gotta think ahead kind of like with the water plans.
[28:18] Tayson: You've got to think ahead of what is this trip? How much exertion am I doing? My own personal body how much you know calories do I need because even between me and Brigham we will give you different answers on how many calories we take on trail like on the Colorado Trail.
[28:31] Tayson: You usually water? I'm like 3,000 or under. I don't count
[28:36] Brigham: and I don't pay attention to it. Do you weigh your food? No way your food. You just pick meals and snacks. Yep, I picked food that I want to eat. And if I eat it, I'm fine. How many times do you get to the end of the day
[28:51] Tayson: and have too much food?
[28:53] Brigham: Hmm. It's not it's not really much, it's not very frequently in my mind. I, I think I'm I would like to end up with probably 10% 10 to 15% more food than I needed. There's, that's just a buffer but I don't, I mean, I don't count my calories.
[29:19] Brigham: I don't weigh my food. I I have a general idea because I've walked the Earth for some years and done this a lot. So like I have an idea like What has what? And you know, what, a slice of bread, or a tortilla or a piece of cheese, my have in it, but I don't count it and I don't weigh it.
[29:41] Brigham: And I just think that's To your point is food is absolutely an individual thing. So if anybody just heard me say, I don't count my calories or weigh my food, that's not me recommending to you the listener to knock out your calories, or weigh your food.
[29:58] Brigham: And I would say just because Tayson says he packs for 4,000 calories. Does not mean, we think you should pack 4,000 calories, at least. I don't think you should pack 4,000 calories. everybody knows himself and to this to this gal like to me, I read this and sound like she is confident and what she does.
[30:18] Brigham: There's like, I would not recommend she do anything differently than than she says there, but to The Listener. I wouldn't also recommend to the listeners to not listen to what Christine said here and take that as what you should do. That there's just so much individuality and has to be self-awareness.
[30:40] Brigham: There has to be there's, there's different levels of experience and like, Tayson mentioned like those, those variables that he mentioned like those are really important variables to pay attention to and relate to one self. So that that that's my take on this is like You everybody needs calories to function while backpacking.
[31:04] Brigham: So what that number is for me tasting or anybody else, Is going to be different. That's my take. Yeah.
[31:15] Tayson: I think as you go through the list of what people bring on our trip, and you look at how much food they bring for each day, every one of our group on the Colorado Trail had a different amount of food, slightly different strategy for them.
[31:25] Tayson: Some made more meals themselves or even snacks themselves, some made zero themselves, some pack, you know, like me or maybe more 4,000 Cal some are well under three but it's it is definitely individual. And again, I do tailor it to the exertion required because I there's been times when I've got out there.
[31:49] Tayson: And I've been under or I've been over and I've been able to pattern that depending on what is my output for the day. What am I? What am I doing in the day? So Tailor that I appreciate this comment. I wanted to include this comment a question mainly because I wanted to bring in the other end of the spectrum of, you know, counted calories and what works for people.
[32:10] Tayson: So, so much to like Brian's question. There is a bit of an art form here to water consumption food consumption and just knowing yourself. But what I finished this with is I would never There has been times when the OCD part of my brain has counted calories to the max.
[32:34] Tayson: and, And like, really made that a point and that at got to a point where I was starting to take away from my trips because planning the food became a big obstacle for me, just grabbing a bag and heading out there and I think that was all so like me taking it too far.
[32:54] Tayson: Right? You know, Brigham, obviously, you know, yourself really well and part of why I imagine you've consciously or unconsciously got to where you're at is because It's easy, it's convenient and it's not a hurdle anymore. It's not a, it's not something that takes a ton of time and planning to do and I think there's value in that.
[33:14] Tayson: So over-planning overdoing it here. Don't let that be an obstacle to you. Actually just getting out there and doing it because even like on my Wind Rivers trip or I forgot a substantial amount of food in my cooler. In my car, still the trip still.
[33:28] Tayson: It was an awesome trip. I loved it. I was hungry at times, absolutely, but A was able to just take the food, I had divided up throughout the day and still execute the trail, but I had planned to do and I wouldn't have done any other way in hindsight so no don't let it become an obstacle.
Editor’s note: Calorie numbers are personal examples, not nutrition or medical guidance. Plan food around your body, route, experience, and safety margin.
[33:46] Tayson: Great questions. If you guys have more questions on any of these topics or any others, make sure to drop them in the comments on the YouTube channel. Email us in a support@outdoorvitals.com, open up the chat on our website, or down the link to this episode, you'll find a link to SpeakPipe where you can record an audio question for us to answer in our next
[34:06] Brigham: episode. So, you know, I thought thoughts No good. Good topics for discussion for sure.
[34:13] Tayson: Yeah. All right. Appreciate it. Like subscribe. And we'll catch you guys in the next
[34:18] Brigham: episode.
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