[00:00:00] Tayson: Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome back to the Live Ultralight podcast. Today we're going to be talking about the hidden gems of our new backpack that is now shipping or shipped out the coda UL, pretty excited about this. This has been a long time coming. We've obviously been doing design work on a long time and then just waiting for that production takes a while but those of you also the back this on
[00:00:21] Tayson: Kickstarter price like you've been waiting for this for a minute, but now it's here. We're hearing the feedback, we're excited about that. We wanted to do a up-to-date podcast, I guess on just some of the Hidden gems things, you guys might not realize about the Cody UL what makes it, you know. Next level of travel pack in our minds. So, today, I've got Derek on here to talk through this with us.
[00:00:43] Tayson: Derek is the head of marketing director for us, but he's also someone who does a fair bit of traveling. You could say
[00:00:49] Derek: with the Cody UL. Yeah, I'm actually really excited for this podcast episode because you know, in marketing part of our job is to like tell all of you guys, everything that The Cody, well can do and a lot of you've seen the kickstarter page. You've seen the product listing and we've tried to list out as many features, Capabilities, Etc, as you possibly can. But there's always a chance we missed up because
[00:01:11] Derek: they're so much going on with Cody well and so, I think hopefully today we're going to cover some things that you may or may not have been able to just by looking at those pages, or List and watching videos that we've already published. So this is going to be a good way to really get familiar with Cody. Well, if you haven't already, grabbed them for yourself.
[00:01:30] Tayson: Yeah. So for those either, just turning in this is the Live Ultralight podcast that is powered by our vitals. That's where we're at right now. The Outdoor Vitals headquarters but yeah, the whole point of this podcast is inspire you to get outdoors and if you'd like your pack and do so with more confidence. So I think we're gonna have that happen today. But I think we're all just gonna get you excited
[00:01:52] Tayson: about this. Now they're going back to that point. Would you say that this was perhaps the most difficult or challenging item? You've had to Market to explain details on?
[00:02:02] Derek: I would say, definitely, definitely one of them. I think, as
[00:02:07] Derek: a general rule, I usually feel like the current product I'm working on is the most difficult. I'm always trying to push myself to like, okay. How can we, how can we show this thing in the best light? How can we make sure everybody? Knows just the amount of design work that Brigham and tasted another member of the design team. Have really put into this thing. So typically it's whatever the current product
[00:02:28] Derek: is the hardest. But And if we're going to look backwards, then the code UL was one of one of the hardest
[00:02:35] Tayson: for sure to really get launched. I would probably chime in to that, that a big part of why you feel that is because you can go like, as deep as you have time for on our products. What I mean by that is take something like the Ventus active hoodie while you might look at it on the exterior and say, that's a fairly simple hoodie. You know, there's not like a pocket on
[00:02:57] Tayson: it and it's just like a half zip or three quarter zip and but then like, if you want to, you can go super deep, you can get super deep into the technical specs of the fabric and the insulation, and the laser perforated arm Vents. And like, you can just go deeper and deeper and deeper, or is the code up. Like it's just gonna fill up as much space and time as you
[00:03:16] Tayson: have because you could go deeper and deeper and deeper between the pocketing and compartmentalization and some of that that we're going to get into here. Because it is like when I look at it, it's like man if you were to really go in depth on every single part of it, it's it's a pretty technical piece because there's just so much inside the pack on exterior of the
[00:03:38] Derek: pack. Iterations, we went through and learning experiences and even more than just the features. There's so much about like, just the materials that have been used in the Cody. Well, just what the mesh is made out of, you know, you can go so deep and just the more you learn, the more impressed that I know I am. the more I learn about the code, you owe back and each one of our
[00:04:01] Derek: new products, we've got a lot of other things that Really soon that there's a lot of deep things that are almost just exciting but we'll get into those
[00:04:09] Tayson: another time. So purpose of this is not to be a big sales pitch on the code. You well the purpose of this is to explain hidden gems and hidden features of the coda. And any look at some upcoming trips that we both have and ways that we might use the pack. We hope that this is more useful and also inspiring to help you be like, holy cow. Maybe I could one bag
[00:04:31] Tayson: travel and make that happen versus, you know, use a rolling suitcase and make travel. This big extensive comprehensive thing from my experience, something, I believe with every fiber of my being is that the more simple, you make things, the less fear, the more confidence you have. And the more likely you're just going to go out and do something like traveling. We share different experience on the podcast before, just how we get
[00:04:56] Tayson: things more simplified. So hopefully by talking about some of these things, you can put yourself in that mindset of hey, that's really good. Tip. Apply to my current travels or if you're someone who doesn't actively travel, you can take that and say maybe this is something I could actually do. Maybe I don't need three bags every time I fooling around the world. So yeah, let's dive into that. I'm just gonna start
[00:05:19] Tayson: off with a question there. What do you think is the number one thing? People don't already know or understand about the code? You will the first or best Hidden Gem? You have about the
[00:05:30] Derek: pack. I think probably the number one thing. People don't know. That was your question, right? That's a tough one.
[00:05:40] Tayson: We did not have a lot of prep time. Yeah, I don't like this is gonna be spur. The moment for sure.
[00:05:47] Derek: I think one of the things that people don't already know is just like You can decide. How you're going to use the pack, it has almost unlimited possibility of how you want to pack how you want to use, how you want to pull it out in the middle of a trip to grab something. The way that you travel the way that you. I mean, if you're backpacking with it, the way that
[00:06:08] Derek: you pack. Really is up to you. And I think most people when you're shopping for travel bags, specifically, You're looking for the kind of organization features that you're used to or that you like I think the number one thing that people probably don't know about the Cody, well is no matter what you're used to no matter what you like when you're traveling, if you've already used some of these similar, like one
[00:06:28] Derek: bag travel style bags, the code UL, most likely can do it. It just depends on how you're going to use the features. We've built in all of them are optional, and all of them are customizable. And so, I think that would be my number one thing.
[00:06:41] Tayson: Yeah, I think that's a really good one. I'm gonna take it a step farther with my tip. And I'm going to talk about the Carry storage compartments. So kind of got two hidden. We have one that we call like a hidden compartment or and the other one is a long-term storage compartment. So the first one is actually on the exterior pocket, the big like back panels, so if you were standing directly
[00:07:09] Tayson: behind the package, be the the big one that you see there. That's got as a zippered mesh in the top of it. What most people don't realize is that in the bottom section of pocket, totally invisible to looking in the pocket, or seeing the pocket is a second zippered pocket. Is good. We call it kind of like the Deep carry or but you can really tuck things in there and they're like,
[00:07:32] Tayson: out of sight, out of mind and they're not flopping around and loose. We didn't actually funny story in the design of this. We didn't necessarily intend to make that. Pocket like hidden and you know down in there. We kind of thought that you'd open up the pack and be able to see it but once we did that and we got it back. Well that one is like really hidden. That's really nice
[00:07:53] Tayson: because you can carry certain things down in there. So, for instance, when I was just traveling down into Mexico, one of the things I typically do just as a safety protocol is I will put my cash in different sections all sometimes, you know, that's a little bit into like a pair of socks or something, but you can also just tuck it in different parts of the pack. So I put some cash
[00:08:14] Tayson: down that pocket and the other place that I put some of my cash was actually in the long term storage compartment and this all so wasn't necessarily designed in the very beginning to be a long term storage from apartment. It was designed just for the frame. So because the code has a tall, you know frame that helps distribute that weight down to your hips and set up on your shoulders. It gets
[00:08:36] Tayson: really heavy, it has a frame area and if you un velcro the top of the pack you can see the frame but you also have access to kind of a hidden velcro, what we call a long-term storage pocket. Now that pocket is not designed for like getting in and out of the backpack all the time, it's more designed to store things. Term there. But that was another area that I took some
[00:08:58] Tayson: cash and took down on the very bottom corner of that. That would be really hard to find if someone was trying to, you know, pick pocket, or maybe it's someone in a host. Sort through your bag and pull something out or maybe a house cleaner or something like that. You never know. But those are two, what I would say. Less than obvious. Things on the pack that people
[00:09:19] Derek: probably didn't know about. Yeah, those are those are good ones. That you use the long term storage pocket. A lot, one of my favorite things, I think you touched on this, but one of my favorite things about that long stories term. Pocket is the hit though, the removable hip belt. You know, you think something like that when you shove it down in a pocket that's like that close to your back. It
[00:09:43] Derek: might feel lumpy, it might be uncomfortable but that's not the case of the code. You will. I put that down in that? Long term pocket and I never even feel it. When I throw that backpack, on that padded EVA foam, padded backpack. It totally disguises everything. There's no lumps, it's just comfortable. I can still walk around with it when I'm not wanting to use that hip belt. In addition to little things
[00:10:08] Derek: like tasting things in there, like it just It just works. So awesome for so many different things. I would be lying to you guys. If I told you
[00:10:17] Tayson: that I have not lost things in the long term starts compartment before, so it does work. Well, you do not feel it in your back, and I think that's, you know, The third Hidden Gem is that. out there like you talk, let's say the hit belt away when you don't want it and you pull Up. But not a lot of them are fully removable. Like the Cody UL. So you can tuck
[00:10:39] Tayson: the hip belt behind the back panel for like quicker storage or short-term storage, but then you can fully remove it as well for long term storage which is a really good gem because a lot of times for me, I am using this piece. I personally, the only one in the office that maybe does this but I use it every single day, I bring it to and from the office every single day
[00:11:02] Tayson: with my laptop in it. The days I'm going to the gym. I've got my gym stuff in there to shower and change at the gyms and come into work faster. That's how I personally use it. and so, yeah. Has lost things, never for but also, when I'm using it and I configuration, I'm not, I don't want the hip belt because the pack is necessarily heavy, and I don't have it on my
[00:11:23] Tayson: shoulders very long, so it's just easier to have it completely out of the way.
[00:11:26] Derek: Yeah, it's it's so nice to throw it back there. I just actually thought of something else, that probably not a lot of people know. Go to UL. And inside that's good. Yeah
[00:11:40] Derek: you got me on the hook inside the main pocket, you notice it's there but you don't ever think about using his experience, and Anyone you want to talk to? Me about using. It. There's there's a lot of mesh, right? And this mesh is not just normal, I should stretch mesh, you can put a lot of things. In these mesh Pockets, the, the most obvious one is kind of on the The back
[00:12:02] Derek: side of that, of
[00:12:03] Tayson: the makeup artists from the laptop.
[00:12:06] Derek: Yes, we created across from laptop, sleep is a big wide zippered mesh pocket and that's what you see most of all. But a lot of people Miss on the other side of your compression straps where you can actually clip the coating you all together. There's two more three quarter length. Stretch mesh pockets. And those were incredibly well for stuffing things really fast and keeping them out of the main
[00:12:30] Derek: compartment. Basically so you still, I still feel like I have The same amount of capacity within that main compartment to shove stuff gear, whatever it is. But I've also been able to Show pockets and keep them out of the way. Keep them from mixing with whatever's in the middle and keep it out of sight, basically, whether that's dirty socks, that's I bring them, he uses it for dirty socks as well. My
[00:12:56] Derek: wife and I whenever we go on trips, that's probably the first place. We're going to shove it very laundry on the main compartment, but I think that's a little detail that's missed. It's it's only been mentioned briefly like the kickstarter page or on the listing. There's just so many things. We can't we couldn't spend enough time I think on the sidewalks, but they're really helpful.
[00:13:16] Tayson: Yeah, I this isn't to make it sound, maybe I'm just forgetful, I don't know, but this isn't to make it sound like Pax complicated. It's really simple, but I got such a group Sometimes using the pack every day that I'm not always like, Really analyzing the pack I guess you could say over time, sometimes I like start to put a few more things in the pack and everyone. So I got to
[00:13:35] Tayson: kind of clean it out of clutter, right? But last night, I was actually transferring my stuff from the green prototype. I've been using for like a year straight over a year to a new black one. I like the black one. I think it looks really good and most time, I'm using it Urban. And so black looks a little better than Urban and I found two pairs of socks and a pair of
[00:13:56] Tayson: underwear in the side. Drop pocket. You're talking about like that's where those darn tough socks. Have been looking for. Those see, that's right.
[00:14:04] Derek: Things they'll stay out of your way. They won't you won't feel like you're dirty. Socks are mixing with everything else in your in your main.
[00:14:13] Tayson: Yeah. Fortunately they were not dirty so they were Perfectly new clean socks that I dropped in there for a trip like a month ago. And just forgot. And I've been wondering why I was a little low on socks for the past little bit, really good tip. Sticking with inside the pocket before I go to the exterior gigs I feel like gotta talk about some of the straps but like inside. I think
[00:14:38] Tayson: people are pretty aware of the ability to compress from. So we one thing to build into the
[00:14:43] Tayson: Cody UL is an internal compression system. To keep outside of the pack strap free. By doing that though, what I think it's overlooked is your ability to have compress the bag or through, you know, two thirds compress the bag. So along each side of the inner
[00:15:03] Derek: part of the coda UL, you've got these clips and when you click those down, you can essentially take the volume of the main
[00:15:09] Tayson: pocket and cut it in half. But what, I don't think a lot of people understand is that you can also just do the top two clips, right? And do like a 1/3 compression, or you could do the top two clips and then the middle two clips and get like a 2/3 compression or any version of that to chew find suitable. So I think
[00:15:29] Derek: that's a Hidden Gem, because one of the things that annoys the crap out of me is this is the 40 liter pack,
[00:15:34] Tayson: but you don't always need 40 liters. And so, having a big floppy pack is not something you want to have walking around on the trail, whatever you're up to. So have compressing the bag I think is a Hidden Gem of the Cody.
[00:15:47] Derek: I've actually done that quite a few times. Everyone, when you've gone to school, I imagine you've experienced this or you've watched your kids and out the door to school and they've got these backpacks on and they just look like everything is in the bottle. The bottom of their backpack is really wide and full looking and then it kind of tapers up towards their shoulder where it's kind of empty and just got
[00:16:06] Derek: a bunch Right? And that's really like the way. It's just kind of swinging around the bottom of their back as they walk. I hate that, you know if I'm gonna be wearing a pack for a long time if I'm traveling walking through airport lines whatever you know on the train. So by using what taste is that these compression straps? If I can't compress the entire pack because of the amount of stuff
[00:16:29] Derek: I have in it, I do like to compress the very bottom two compression straps that way. The weight isn't going to be able to just settle all in the bottom and kind of swing in the bottom of my back. When all the weights kind of in my lower back area, it's not as comfortable. As when it's kind of distributed across the entire length, of my back. And so by just compressing a
[00:16:50] Derek: little bit, I don't lose all the capacity in the pack but it keeps the way from all sinking or sagging to the very bottom. And that's made the pack way more comfortable for me in a lot of different scenarios. you have, I actually like that because what I would do is on a day-to-day basis like in and out of the office, I always compressed the top two buckles because
[00:17:11] Tayson: Statically. It might look the best, but carrying wise doing. What Derek is saying? And starting at the bottom and compressing, the bottom ones is going to be more comfortable on your back to help push that load up and towards the middle section of the backpack, which is where you're going to want to carry that load. So I think that's a, that's a really good one. I would also say, just as a
[00:17:32] Tayson: tiny bonus, the laptop sleeve on, it is really quite large. So like this laptop for those you watching on YouTube. I think it's like a 14 inch laptop. If I'm going to take a book or a notebook or anything like that, like that's heavy. A book is heavy and notebook is heavy. It's dense. I'll put it in the laptop, sleeve with my lap top, there's enough space in there, which keeps it
[00:17:55] Tayson: very comfortable on your back. Gets it really close to your back and right in the center of the backpack. So another good way to to load that pack, Let's talk about the extra straps, I think the the mechanism. So with the backpack comes, four extra straps. There are two that are longer two that are shorter and those straps man. The possibilities are essentially infinite but I want to make sure people understand.
[00:18:22] Tayson: the hardware and then we can talk about like, maybe some applications that Would sew the hardware itself is maybe not super intuitive when you first see it. It's a, it's a piece. It's a plastic piece of Hardware from Duraflex, and it's got little silver wire, they kind of loops around. And if you actually just crunch that Buckle, the wire pops down on over the, the plastic Tab and opens up. And then
[00:18:49] Tayson: you around the pack, you'll see these little tiny webbing Loops. You can slide that through the webbing Loop. And then you just take the wire gate and you just push it back down, and it will clip back over the plastic composite. Portion of that Buckle when it is, you know. Closed when that wire gate is closed, that Buckle can handle a ton of weight. It's tested, it's very thoroughly tested. Your Flex
[00:19:12] Tayson: makes I believe they make all of the hardware. It's not most the hardware for like military and they're just a very proven company. And that particular Buckle is very strong, once it's closed. So again, you just pinch it. It pops open you slide it. Wherever you need to you close that wire gate, and that thing's ready to rock. So, again, you have four straps, Too Short too long Derek. Maybe start off
[00:19:35] Tayson: with First or the best application you've ever had for using those straps.
[00:19:40] Derek: Okay, so my wife and I we like to travel to a lot of different places we do. Things some internationally, some locally within the US. The first thing that comes to mind for me is we went over to explore the Smoky Mountains and we spent some time in Asheville. We had some amazing biscuits and gravy and this little place called fish.
[00:20:03] Tayson: It was, it was good.
[00:20:05] Derek: We also spent some time in Gatlinburg, but then we also did an overnight trip like back. In the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. And so, We couldn't fly with everything we needed. The airline wasn't going to let us bring you know trekking poles or ten poles or you know things like that. So what we actually ended up doing is we rented a car. Once we got to North Carolina and we use
[00:20:34] Derek: the turtle app, a lot of you guys probably have heard of that. It's really nice. Easy way to rent cars for people and when you go travel places, But we messaged this, this Turtle car owner, and asked if he had by any chance attend that we could borrow. And because we didn't want to fly with one, we didn't want to go buy one. That's a risky move, my friend,
[00:20:53] Derek: it was risky, but he did. And we figured like If we don't want to use it, it's too big or bulky. We just won't, you know, we'll do something else. But anyways, we show up, we get the car, we check it out and we find the tent that he left in there for us and it would work. It's just as a little bit bigger than the Tent. I'm used to packing, but
[00:21:12] Derek: it wasn't that much heavier. And so we use these straps that taste has been talking about to strap them on the back of our packs, when we decided to head out and you are overnight. Backpacking trip in the smokies. That works really well. So, the temples the way they fold that they were just a little bit long to fit comfortably inside the pack with the other gear. We were also carrying and
[00:21:35] Derek: so being able to strap them on the bottom of the pack, it works really well. We used the two longer straps for that. and then, Rained over. quite a bit which is not uncommon but then we're like, well, you know, we don't really want to just Shove this wet tent fly in with the rest of our stuff, we just kind of want to see if we can dry it out. We don't
[00:22:02] Derek: want to roll it up either and shove it on the bottom of the pack. So we actually split up who had the polls With this time, we use the short strap and we shoved, the poles on the side of one of our packs down into the water, bottle pocket, and then we use a short strap around the top so they didn't fall out or swing around or anything and they were pretty
[00:22:21] Derek: secure on the side of the co. You went back and then the other one of us, we use two long straps, and they kind of an X across the back of it just to hold the fly folded Loosely onto the back of our patch while we hiked out. Now, we could dry out a little bit more and get more air through it while we were hiking. and we didn't have to just
[00:22:40] Derek: have all rolled up around the poles and strap the bottom, which we could do as well, and we did do, but This way, we were able to carry that tent, multiple different ways without ever having to put it inside. Get our stuff wet or rearrange. How are things inside of the pack were already packed and worked out really well. Which, by the way, those those little buckles that taste in the mouth
[00:23:02] Derek: and they just pop open when you when you pinch it. Super. Super satisfying. I don't know if you're wondering,
[00:23:07] Tayson: but it's like that.
[00:23:09] Derek: Just like a little little pinch and there's a pop and just For satisfying.
[00:23:16] Tayson: Yeah, I would agree. I do enjoy opening those up and closing on the plane the whole time, just like My Little Pony widget or whatever. That's Yeah, I that's a really good one because you kind of covered, a handful of ways to use this accessory. So obviously we've talked, I think before on the podcast about using it for a bear can strapping a bear candy outside? I've seen people use it. To
[00:23:45] Tayson: drop a pad. So I'm not going to go more into that. I have used it on the inside of the pack, to kind of lash stuff in place that I wanted, that I wasn't getting in and out of the pack a lot. I wanted to stay stable, not a lot, but I have done that, but I'm going to use this as a segue over to accessories. Okay. So we've talked about the
[00:24:08] Tayson: pack. Let's jump over to like the top, takeaways from how to use the accessories that come with the pack or you can purchase with the pack, you can buy a bundle. For those of you that are buying this or looking at buying this highly advised, the Bunk. They're all very useful. Here's why. So I take the accessory straps, the long ones, and I actually attach them to the small or medium size
[00:24:33] Tayson: packing Cube. By doing that, we actually sewed a little tabs on there. So you could do this, you can turn that little packing Cube into a small backpack, if you will. And I used that when I get on planes for personal items back, I take my main coat of UL, I put it in that overhead bin and then I turn around and take, you know, that little packing Cube, I might have
[00:24:57] Tayson: a book in there. I'm gonna have like, maybe a little Or something, you know, for the plane ride maybe maybe a bottle of water, maybe some charging, you know, stuff for my phone or you know earbuds stuff like that. I just Tuck those not little packing Cube. I throw at least one strap on or both straps on. So I can use those little backpack
[00:25:18] Derek: and it makes it
[00:25:19] Tayson: super easy when you're getting on the plane to, to utilize. So, I want to say that's the number one, tip, the Big Jim Hidden Gem of the packing Cube. So, from there Derek, I'll let you take do a Hidden Gem on either the dot bag or the try the compression bag. Okay, so that's tough one between all the accessories.
[00:25:41] Derek: I think, my two favorites in is always a toss-up on some days, my favorite is the compression dry bag, and other days, I really like the top back. So that's I'm just gonna go with the dot bag to talk about first, This thing is that it's awesome for both travel and backpacking. Here's why it's completely waterproof. And I should say water resistance, but it's gonna be really hard. It's essentially,
[00:26:03] Tayson: there's not really such thing as a waterproof zipper, so it's more like AKA aquaguard. Yeah. So
[00:26:13] Derek: it's, you're gonna have a hard time getting anything inside of their way. And so, in a backpacking application, That bag works really well. If you've got Electronics, you've got a phone, you've got You know, a battery bank or anything like that. You just really don't want to get wet. You can throw it in there and it'll fit perfectly. The perfect size for the amount of electronics, phone charger, cables, battery, Etc. Maybe
[00:26:36] Derek: a little pair of headphones for podcasts at night or something. That'll fit in there. No problem. But on a travel application, this thing. Was really well. You never have to worry about your shampoo or soap or anything else. Exploding opening up and getting all over the rest of your other stuff because it works backwards too water. Can't get in very easy, but neither can any of the stuff that's already inside there?
[00:26:56] Derek: Get out. And so, I've had a lot of experience of traveling where something will open and get squeezed or the pressure for when we're high up in the air and the airplane. Things just explode and get all over all over my stuff, which sucks. But if you use a dot bag, you never have to worry about that. It's not gonna leak out of that zipper. And it's not gonna leak out of
[00:27:22] Derek: anywhere else in that bag. So that's things. Pretty cool.
[00:27:25] Tayson: Yeah, that's a really good one. I would say just like you I use the dot bag for both backpacking and You know, more Adventure travel style.
[00:27:38] Derek: I mean, it was like, what maybe? You know.
[00:27:41] Tayson: Like really lightweight. So I use it actually. My first aid kit for backpacking is inside of that dot bag. That's a great one. It was a prototype. We had early on but that's my first aid kit and then I also put my battery Bank in with my first aid kit because it's waterproof. So kind of two birds with one stone for backpacking and then for adventure travel like I said, I use
[00:28:03] Tayson: that Coda every day. What I actually do my Hidden Gem, I guess would say, would be load up that little dot bag with extras and extra toothbrushing extra to face extra deodorant at those extra things you need. And I just leave it in my coating UL all the time and you'll be surprised because it's kind of freeing that when you want to go travel on a weekend we're just do something super
[00:28:27] Tayson: quick. All I have to do is literally grabbed a few changes, the clothes toss them in the bag. And I know I'm set, like I leave my laptop in there because I'm taking it to him from working there. I've got a bag in there all times with my toiletries. So literally that bag, I throw in a pair of shorts, change, a shirt pair of underwear, that type of thing. And I can
[00:28:46] Tayson: go for a weekend in minutes. In fact, most of the time in my house I'm like loading the car getting everyone ready and literally my family is like Getting in and getting seatbelt it in, when I run upstairs, grab my changes of clothes, and then I'm packed. Like, that's how much time I had to quickly get to pack, and it works really well. So that's my Hidden Gem is get the dot
[00:29:07] Tayson: bag and just load it up with extras so that you can just leave it. With pack or leave it ready to go at any point in time. It's super fast and super effective. So All right, let's jump to the dry bag compression. I'm going to jump ahead of you and I'm gonna talk about one time when I use the dry bag for compression. So dry back. I also used for backpacking, I
[00:29:26] Tayson: also use it for travel, I use it for backpacking to put my top quilt in and other layers that I want waterproof, but intense is of traveling, I use it for compression. So
[00:29:37] Derek: putting clothing in there, you can roll the top knee on it, and really
[00:29:41] Tayson: get all the air out of there and compressing down to free up more space in your path. One of the things that I compress down and I feel like this is this is a pretty good feet is me. My wife and my two kids were headed to Mexico to a resort a year ago. And we took just two, you all backpacks and Think my boy had like his little school backpack, you
[00:30:05] Tayson: know, I don't think really anything was in there because we didn't really want to have him carry anything heavy. So realistically we had four people in two bags but the hardest thing for something like this to take is life. Jackets, I've got two kids. We need life jackets. So they were using like the puddle jumpers to go around their arms like their biceps and their chest. And so I took I had
[00:30:26] Tayson: all my clothes in there and I shoved two puddle jumpers in there and compress that down and got them into my pack easily. And that really saved a lot of space. That's pretty impressive. I didn't know that. I was pretty impressed. That was probably my Hidden Gem. Though is just not only can you compress things but you can get more in there than you think you can.
[00:30:46] Derek: Yeah, I love the compression drive back. Its we went to Finland. We've talked about that on another podcast episode so it's if you want to learn more details about that trip, we have a wild adventure but a lot of people before we left, we were going to Finland in February, which is when it's covered in snow, right? There's tons of ice and snow, and we were going to spend pretty much 80
[00:31:11] Derek: to 90% of our time. In Finland above the Arctic Circle. So where it's even colder. So a lot of people ask us, how are you going to pack enough? Warm stuff. to comfortable over there when all when they found out how we were bringing, we're just one back back. You guys. And so we packed in a lot of our Nobel jackets, Nova Pro jackets, fantasies things like that. A lot of warmth
[00:31:35] Derek: layers and all of it fit within that compression dry bag and then compress Pretty dang small. Just to give you some context. Sorrel makes a really popular winter boot. It's an insulated winter boot. It's got like a little fleece on the top is leather and it's got the rubber bottom, just your most classic winter I guess you know
[00:31:59] Tayson: exactly what he's talking about. Yeah. What are you talking about? Then I saw him like I know exactly what did you just say it? Was that like how do you classic boot, right?
[00:32:14] Tayson: The really good, they're really
[00:32:16] Derek: warm and insulated, which is why we're bringing them, but they're bulky. And so for context of how small we were able to pack things and the compression Drive bag, we each had a pair of those boots in our Cody. Well which took up at least half of the capacity Acts and everything else for the whole trip changes. The clothes toiletries. And all of our insulating layers, including, you know, gloves and hats.
[00:32:44] Derek: And you know, whatever else we had snow pants like snowboarding pants as well. That way backed in there, that's impressive everything in the backs and because we were regret, we were able to compress it so small
[00:32:53] Tayson: and so that was huge because While everything compressed. So
[00:33:00] Derek: small that gave us the ability to take the one pack and do anything we wanted. When we were over there, we didn't have to haul around extra luggage. Literally we hop from place to place, just wearing a backpack. And even during the day, we spent some time on the last day. There exploring Helsinki, we didn't have anywhere to put our packs down because we checked out of our, you know, Hotel actually
[00:33:21] Derek: the night. Before we even have a hotel, we wrote A Night Train, just sleep on when you get off the train, you know, where to put your stuff, right? We just walked around and explored a lot of things in Helsinki. Just wearing backpacks. And we were totally comfortable because we were packing any more luggage and that we were able to do because we were able to compress things in that compression drive.
[00:33:41] Derek: And that was I
[00:33:43] Tayson: think, I think that's a go with that for a second. Just The fact that like so many people, when they have to check out their hotel, the next thing they have to do is go straight to an airport or go straight here because what are they gonna do, like, whole rolling, luggage around the city and go sightseeing. It's not really a thing. So, just those like, let's just say, like, you get
[00:34:06] Tayson: an extra four hours on each end of a booking to travel the city, because you just have a backpack instead of rolling luggage, it makes a world of difference and you see Things you normally wouldn't get to see, you get extra time, and every place because it's that. All right, I guess. Let's just go straight to the airport once we have to check out of our hotel room. You get that extra
[00:34:26] Tayson: time to just travel, which is really freeing and really awesome. I know the first time I ever did that, I was in college, I was not a travel back action actually a an old Osprey, backpacking pack that I had, and I did that. And I just walked around the city and I'll tell you kind of funny story. Actually, I took a red eye flight because the cheapest got into my Annie and
[00:34:47] Tayson: was getting a Later in the day, I was going to be getting on a cruise ship. meeting up with someone and I just like sit there and bum around and I was walking around and flying on that red eye, and I just had my backpack and I'm like, I'm gonna go. This is so I'm like I'm a public transit. Go to the start, not a zoo. Astronomy. Museum thing and I remember
[00:35:09] Tayson: I take my backpack, I just walk in there and I sit down in this like theater to do like a Star Tours thing and I laid out and the seats like recline and let the skylights up and there's all these beautiful stars and I'm like looking at them. And then the lights are coming on. I don't like what the heck? Like it up real fast? Yeah, I fell asleep for like a
[00:35:30] Tayson: straight up. Didn't see any of it was pretty comical, but yes. It was a pretty friendly trip though. Because I mean, obviously after that, I went Inside a lot of fun and then I got off the cruise ship again. So going straight back to the airport. I had all day to go around the city and see stuff and it's a good time, but Speaking of that, looking forward. Airports are busy again.
[00:35:58] Tayson: That was really interesting when we were flying in may they were super super busy. It's cool to see travel opening back up, it's just so good. I think for the World At Large to have those barriers be broken down again, economies opening back up. It's just a really good thing to see and I hope that you guys listening to this are also some that are maybe booking some travel or just getting
[00:36:20] Tayson: out there covering country and seeing more stuff That's a big part of our Lives. I know it's a big part of culture and very excited to see that happening but Yeah, this fall will be heading to Germany for business and then we'll be doing some sightseeing and traveling after that. At least I will be, we'll see if anyone else's plan on sticking around in the winter. We'll be heading over to Asia
[00:36:45] Tayson: doing some more traveling. Yeah, just got a lot of a lot of upcoming stuff that I'm looking forward to and I'm looking forward to putting the code to UL out there again, but
[00:36:55] Derek: yeah, I think honestly, the Cody UL is an amazing. again, if I could just Something over a cross. People, it would be this it helps you like that's one of our core values. We really believe in that. We really believe that anyone's live is gonna be your life is going to be better if you can live, we'll try and that doesn't mean get rid of things, you like Go further, you can
[00:37:22] Derek: do more. You can do things like taste and did well Matty and I that day and healthy. Spent time hopping from shop to shop and little cafe and breakfast place. And just getting one little thing and just trying as many different Local Foods as we could, and we spent a few hours doing that we covered some ground. Just doing a food tour of our own. I guess that we've kind of decided,
[00:37:48] Derek: hey, we're gonna go try as many weird, local things that they don't have an American as we possibly can, and that was awesome. And if you had to go straight to a hotel from from like the train that we got off that morning, you would have missed all of that. So the Cody, well is awesome. It'll help you out and simplifying your trips in a way that will make them way more
[00:38:08] Derek: enjoyable. And it'll allow you to backpack my wife actually prefers. That could you go backpack or any backpacking trip? A lot of us in the company, here will go on our monthly, backpacking trips and back in the mountains and the desert, and rather than grab a shadow light or some of the other things that were trying out or testing, She'll always reach for the Cody. Well, she says that comfortable in that and it's awesome.
[00:38:30] Tayson: Yeah, you see. Why is in the marketing department here? I would say, my last thing is we covered a lot of hidden gems. There's so many more but even touch on the fact that you can get a full pair of shoes, Literally in that internal mesh zippered pocket inside there or if they're full Nalgene bottle on the side you know there's all these different things that you can use but I'm excited
[00:38:51] Tayson: for you guys to take this out, apply it in the way that you want to and and get the most out of it for you guys. Some pretty pretty excited to just see where the code, you will goes. And my biggest point I'd get across with this pack. Is literally nothing else like it on the market. People try to compare to other pieces. We've compared it internally a lot, two other people,
[00:39:13] Tayson: and it really is filling a gap in Travel and Adventure travel. That is not filled in any other way, I know I bought. 10 plus Travel and Adventure backpacks. And nothing does what the code UL does. So, take it, stack it up against anything else. Take a peek at it and I promise you when you actually using this piece, You will love it. Which really comes back to again, one of, you
[00:39:38] Tayson: know, our purpose especially in design is designing, for performance, not price points, designing for performance, not fill in the blank, right? And in the field we have thoroughly tested, this piece in airports traveling hiking backpacking doing all sorts of Adventures every day going to the gym going home and it's it's performance is on par with anything and really exceeds anything that we've ever tested. So we're excited for you guys to get
[00:40:02] Tayson: this piece, we do enjoy you guys tuning in for these, if you have not left us a podcast review, I don't know what we need to do. We need to start sanitizing. You guys are doing some kind of a giveaway, but if you have not yet left an iTunes review or a review on whatever platform you guys use, please do. So let us know what you liked about. The podcast will gladly
[00:40:22] Tayson: do more content related to what you guys get the most value out of here on the podcast. If you have any feedback or questions you can always reach out to us at Live Ultralight podcast at gmail.com. Our content guys here, that will filter through those and make sure that we address those on the podcast with any questions and that's a little podcast at gmail.com. We're happy to answer those. If you haven't
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[00:40:53] Derek: a little plug in here too, we've covered a lot of hidden gems about the Kodi. Well that that We found and are going to be valuable to. You. But for any of you that already have the Pack and are using it and trying things out, we would love to hear what you found like. There's it's a possible It's very possible that we've missed something. And that there's another way to use the
[00:41:12] Derek: code that we have bought. We'd love to hear that. So go ahead and drop your thoughts in the comments below here or shoot us a message on. Mobile.com, I
[00:41:20] Derek: want to hear from you guys just as much as we we
[00:41:23] Tayson: want to share what we found with you. There's definitely things that I've tried that, I'm not sharing its Straps. To hold toddlers onto the backpack and other things that I don't endorse, but you can get creative, guys and I get creative. Send it in, tag us on Instagram, whatever you want to do, we'd love to see it. Really appreciate you guys. And I think with that go ahead and close up this
[00:41:50] Tayson: podcast and see you guys, or you guys will hear the next one.
