[00:00:00] Joe: Welcome everyone to the Live Ultralight podcast, powered by Outdoor Vitals. This podcast is about inspiring you to get Outdoors. Showing you how to lighten your pack and build your confidence so you can start living your life full of Adventure. I am Joe, I am here today with Tayson and we are going to be talking to Bryce Newbold. It was exactly. Yeah.
[00:00:21] Tayson: Welcome to the show. Brad,
[00:00:23] Joe: I don't think. Hey, how's it going? Happy to be here. All right. So Bryce is a Backpacker and Ultra Runner who's self-titled YouTube channel has over 24,000 subscribers. Congratulations. On his channel, you can find videos offering backpacking advice and also videos documenting Brice on his hikes including his adventures on the Colorado Trail which I found a kind of a fun playlist there. How are you doing today? Bryce, I'm doing pretty good.
[00:00:53] Joe: How are you guys doing great? Doing well, where are you based? So I am in the great wonderful state of Ohio. Nice. Backpacking in Ohio,
[00:01:08] Bryce: it gets a bad rap. There's definitely, there's, it's got its spots. So, there's, there's a national forest and it's definitely, not as bad as like, say, Indiana and Illinois. So it's, it's not as bad as it could be for, for being out here, but it's, it's nothing like out west. So I, I can see why it gets a bad rap, but at least there's something here.
[00:01:34] Joe: Did you grow up in Ohio?
[00:01:35] Bryce: Yeah, I lived here. My whole life. Well,
[00:01:39] Joe: they're whole life. So what. Okay, so then now how is the outdoors Kind of a part of your life. It was that a party of your life growing up or what?
[00:01:48] Bryce: Yes. So we build a house and moved to the country. Probably when I was like six years old and I just was always out hiking in the woods and it's funny. I feel like I was always out playing the woods and camping and kind of didn't do anything outdoors or related. Because I got into cars and girls and who knows what else. And when I was like, 27 years old, I kind
[00:02:18] Bryce: of had this urge to like, Sleep and sleep in a tent and go camping. I actually had a buddy that wanted to go in a backpacking trip and I knew a backpacking was but I had no knowledge of how to do it or anything about that. And so I kind of just rekindled my love for the outdoors um kind of like at a Nostalgia because I like in the summer time, I
[00:02:47] Bryce: lived in tents in my backyard and I was constantly like packing my backpack with a lunch and like I'd start a little fire in the woods and make some food. Maybe carry my BB gun and going like a long hikes in the woods before I even knew what like before what I even knew like But there were that they were Trails, so like, I remember, the first backpacking trip, I remember thinking
[00:03:12] Bryce: it was kind of weird because there's like a set path and it wasn't just push whacking through everything because that's all the hike and I have ever did as a kid. So basically, it's Kind of when you're a grown man and you want to kind of revert back to Childhood and playing the woods. That's kind of how it all started for me.
[00:03:32] Joe: How long ago do you think, would you say you rekindled that always ship with the outdoors?
[00:03:38] Bryce: I think was around 27 so it's probably close to eight eight or nine. Eight years now. Yeah, be eight years. This. Okay, so for a little while it's interesting
[00:03:50] Joe: I've had some guests on here that have done like incredible stuff and it was like oh yeah I got into backpack get three years ago. Yeah.
[00:03:59] Bryce: A lot. Especially with the big boom and the outdoor YouTube environment. I'd like to thank I was one of the first, I mean, I definitely was not one of the first, but whenever I started filming and making YouTube videos, there was not many. There's definitely not like there is Natalie's. How long ago did you start that? so, I started my channel and I uploaded a video in 2013 but pretty much 24
[00:04:27] Bryce: team and it was by no means to start a, you know, like what it has become today. It was I had I just had a GoPro, not I didn't buy it for hiking. I actually just
[00:04:43] Joe: just had for other stuff and
[00:04:45] Bryce: I took it with me and just to film my experience and just to be able to look back on my trip and See, like I don't know, just the beautiful scenery or whatever, I would just kind of walk and film and I didn't even talk to the camera at all and I'd get home and I'd I'd put it to some music, make a little music video Just because I've always like really
[00:05:10] Bryce: enjoyed like audio and video editing. So I really did that just for fun and just to have a collection of videos. I then put it on YouTube and I actually didn't talk to the camera for probably two years because I just would like you know Chronicle my Adventures just by putting them to music and making really what I think are unwatchable borries video. But yeah, it was it's been a while. So
[00:05:41] Bryce: I say I started my YouTube journey in 2016 because that's when I first started talking in the camera but really it's it's been a while.
[00:05:50] Joe: so how much like what, how big of a How big of a chunk of your life, is that YouTube channel,
[00:05:58] Bryce: taking out? It's a it's a lot, probably a lot more than what people think. I think, especially when you really, really go deep down the YouTube rabbit hole. People don't realize what it takes to produce videos. And like I like to try I say try to put out a video a week. I'm actually not this week. I'm taking this week but I put a lot of time in
[00:06:30] Joe: my videos and it's mostly because
[00:06:34] Bryce: I really, really enjoy that process. I know a lot of people that backpack and YouTube, they, they don't really like the editing. I get as much enjoyment from the editing, as I do like hiking. So a lot of people say, like, oh, you're taking a camera and you're filming out there aren't you? You're taking away from the experience but for me, like, kind of the high I get from, you know, creating
[00:07:00] Bryce: something it's equally to, you know, my back country experienced. So Yeah, I get that.
[00:07:11] Tayson: I was looking at your channel, looks like seven seven years ago. On a video. You had a beard, you know, like you know what happened?
[00:07:21] Bryce: You know. Trying. Oh, you know what? It was. Okay, I remember now trying to think. Why? Did I finally cut it? That's right when I started running. So I had the beard that rival years. I mean, it was, it
[00:07:34] Tayson: was down there and it looks glorious.
[00:07:36] Bryce: Yeah, I don't think, I don't even think you got to see the the max potential of it on YouTube, but I I remember doing like, one or two runs and I know exactly the run because I can see the picture in my head at with us all at the finish line. But I have this huge beard. I'm covered in sweat. It was like 90 degrees in July and actually I just had
[00:08:03] Bryce: this conversation with somebody and they told me that they remember me saying, like, I'm going home and cutting this thing off and it's
[00:08:09] Joe: been gone ever since
[00:08:12] Tayson: Understandable. It's a, it could be a lot to handle special in scenarios like those.
[00:08:16] Bryce: Yeah, it's it's a little warm. It's a little warm in the summer.
[00:08:20] Joe: How do you handle that Json
[00:08:22] Tayson: or just put it into like a tie? And then I can get pretty good ventilation like at least to like my neck and chest. but yeah, I kind of have the same thing where I was running and was like, why am I so hot all the time? But you're just so used to having the beard that you don't like. I just had it so long, I don't think about it and I
[00:08:46] Tayson: literally just grabbed it mid running. Like lifted it up and all this cold air like hit my chest and I was like, holy crap. All right, this is going into like a beard tie every time.
[00:08:55] Bryce: No, I I totally can relate to that because I remember doing the same thing. I pull it up like, over my face and you just get that wind. And honestly, I never even thought about Brayden it, like I probably would have did that and I don't even know.
[00:09:08] Tayson: Yeah. But you mentioned running. And I was I was as I was doing some dishes last night, I had your channel going. Just trying to you know get to know you a little more and there's some like I agree with John love to hear more about the Colorado Trail too. But you mentioned in there that you started to do a lot of running and you kind of mentioned in some of these
[00:09:25] Tayson: videos that that's a great way to prepare for the back country and you just kind of have adopted it and loved it. What does that? What does that look like for you? Like how much are you training and do you run two backpack? Or is it just happens? Dance that you like
[00:09:39] Bryce: running and backpacking? I'm, I'm just really fortunate that. I'm a runner that that backpack. So I don't run to train for backpacking. Running is Honestly equal if not more part of my life than the backpacking. So like like you said, like how much is YouTube consumed, my life? I mean, with conceptualizing videos and kind of, you know, script that out bullet points, I want to cover filming editing. So much time. Like
[00:10:12] Bryce: the very last. The last video I just posted. It's like an 11-minute video. I know I had over 20 hours in that video so huge chunk, but as far as running goes, I've been running. At least three or four days a week for probably like like seven years, it was right around the time, I started backpacking. Actually, when I started running completely unrelated, but, Yeah it just it helps tremendously but it's
[00:10:46] Bryce: a completely different entity. Yeah.
[00:10:48] Joe: What about combining them into fastpack? Oh I
[00:10:53] Bryce: you know, I I thought about it. This has been so many times when I I have the video head or video idea of my head where it's like, okay I'm gonna do a little fast packing video and this and that. But when it comes down to Like ease of filming. That's just not a fun video to make. I mean that's run any running video. is just kind of a nightmare just like
[00:11:20] Bryce: short little trips when I'll go hike out a little bit and like those those are fun and easy but if I'm doing 20 plus mile days, And I mean, the trip is important, like I want to have a good time out there, but like I said, equally important. I want to make a sweet video and I just can't always do that on the longer trips. So it's kind of like, you know,
[00:11:42] Bryce: I go in the sweet trip but the videos gonna suffer a little bit, which is okay, every now and then. But yeah, I definitely would like to do some fast packing. I'm actually gonna go out this weekend and not fast back, but I'm going to do like It's gonna be like a 48 hour challenge, where because I'm in this challenge for work right now. We have to like, log all these hours
[00:12:06] Bryce: of activity, and these are the last two days and I'm probably gonna do about 40 to 50 miles out there, just strictly walking in two days Which doesn't sound that bad. I mean, I'm like I'm doing more. I might do less, I don't know, but it's just that running has giving me this like competitive Drive, which I guess I've always been competitive but it really comes out in the runs
[00:12:34] Tayson: and I've I was never a runner. I hated running my whole life until about a year ago and then I've been running a lot since, but I think it's phenomenal training for backpacking because you're just condensing miles and impact on, you know, ankles and knees and hips and all that kind of stuff. And I think it's phenomenal training. So I just wondered if there's any cross over there for you. Packing is
[00:13:00] Tayson: really interesting. Maybe we'll have to connect you and get you set up with prototype fastpack to to give us some feedback on but it is a pretty Niche little industry. We actually just did rim to rim to rim on the Grand Canyon and we fast packed it. So we spent a night in the bottom but it kind of, it's interesting, it's different. I still love backpacking. 100% fastpacking, just kind of fits
[00:13:23] Tayson: like a specific type of trip, or style of trip. So, it'll be interesting. It's, I think it's gaining popularity. We've, we've been talking about a lot here, but Yeah. Maybe we'll have to.
[00:13:34] Bryce: Yeah, that'd be cool. I would love to try your pack and like as far as Fast packing goes. I think the reason why I haven't really pulled the trigger and tried it is just because just normal trail running with nothing but maybe a vest or nothing on. It's so light and fast, it's hard to
[00:13:52] Joe: think. Like, oh, I think I want to put some more weight on my back and I kind of joked too that like,
[00:13:57] Bryce: because I'm an ultra Runner, you know, so that's, that's mostly all trails. Its kind of ruined me for backpacking. Like, I still really
[00:14:07] Tayson: enjoy the whole run. Yeah. About spending the night, right? Yeah. Well, yeah,
[00:14:11] Bryce: that and it's, it's just like, it's just more fun like, when you run, like, you've been running for a year. So you're starting, you, you're getting the benefit of, you know, being like a legit Runner. I always tell people if you're,
[00:14:23] Bryce: if you're going to start running, do it for a year before you quit. You know, because it's going to take a long time to get good at it and it's not going to be fun until you're good at it. But
[00:14:35] Bryce: yeah, it's just it's so much easier to run. I feel like as far as you get it done quicker, it's just kind of more fun and backpacking. Sometimes I'll look at my watch, it's a man. I have only gone three miles and an hour late and Miles. Go a lot slower. It's so it's like, discouraging, so you just gotta kind of just gotta remember what you're doing that day. Yeah, I
[00:15:00] Tayson: think, I think you'd be surprised with with like, An actual fast pack. That it doesn't feel like a backpack because you free up your hips. You don't have like a frame in there and you don't have like any any it doesn't hinder you at all. It feels like a big vest essentially but I totally understand what you're saying to with it. Like feeling pretty light and free on the trail and just
[00:15:23] Tayson: like you can Cruise. So
[00:15:24] Bryce: yeah that would be cool. I don't really have anything in my gear closet. That I could Fastback. Like with, that's not a little bit too big or a little bit too small. Let's just get into it.
[00:15:39] Tayson: We got it. We gotta know who you really are Bryce. Like, what
[00:15:42] Tayson: is your typical base weight, man? Like,
[00:15:44] Joe: okay questions. You know,
[00:15:48] Bryce: you know, so everybody's I get the comment all the time. What's your? Where's your lighter pack? What's your lighter pack? You know, for people that listening, that might not know, that's where you get on and Italy up, you know what, what all your essential items are, you know, everything like you said, bass weight, minus consumed, consumables and I just never do it. I don't really care that much my base weights, always
[00:16:15] Bryce: fluctuating, but I would say on a normal trip, probably around 11 pounds, which really isn't culturally like to talk to, like, the the real hardcore people, but it's still light enough that, you know. Yeah, I
[00:16:31] Tayson: bet I know, like, the standard out. There is subtend pounds, right?
[00:16:35] Joe: Is that what it is? Yeah, and
[00:16:36] Tayson: my opinion, personally, I think that if you can get a sub 10 pound base weight, and then like, add in one or two pounds of like, If you want to take like luxury items, you know what I mean? And you're still like 12 pounds to me that that I still consider Ultra like, but I have to realize people too, there's like Not everyone, like it's still hung up on this town base
[00:17:01] Tayson: plate but a lot of people don't talk about like that's 10 pounds walking through Virginia where they've got a 50 degree top quilt and no extra layers and you know that kind of thing and they don't need a Big R value pad or anything like that or or they're not six too like me or everything has to be long wide bigger size so that I was wait. Oh yeah,
[00:17:21] Tayson: I don't get too hung up on it. I to me if you're under like You know, 14 ish pounds. I feel like you're you're being very conscious and you're getting the benefit but I typically am aiming for sub 12 pounds or 10 pounds and then I might just add in like a You know, maybe I'm somewhere where I'll be sufficient and I'll throw my tenkara rod in or yeah. Something like
[00:17:43] Bryce: yeah I totally agree with you there. It's I mean when your pack is so light that you hardly feel it and it's just Comfortable, like, very, very comfortable. I mean, why not add in those little luxuries, I always bring stuff. I feel like a lot of my Like the reason why I go lighter is to offset kind of camera weight, which I don't really bring a lot. Like I do bring like
[00:18:09] Bryce: four pounds of camera gear, which two of those pounds is my tripod. Me
[00:18:15] Joe: I saw on the Colorado Trail video. I saw I think, two cameras and
[00:18:21] Bryce: a drone or at least a couple drone shots. I had one, I only had one camera, just my DSLR but I actually Kevin told me where I was like, I'll send you my Drone footage, you can use it. So that was I didn't have to carry that. Free weight.
[00:18:37] Joe: That's what I was thinking I was thinking like, oh, three cameras and one of them's the Drone. Yeah light
[00:18:43] Bryce: I had one and then they each carry one so including the Drone. They they carry three cameras.
[00:18:49] Joe: Okay. All right. That's I guess the benefit of going out there with your friends. Yeah.
[00:18:53] Tayson: You're gonna say good to like your 11 pound base weight, and then add spirits. But you know.
[00:18:58] Tayson: Yeah. There's there's always you. What happened when you got to see sickness at least.
[00:19:02] Bryce: Oh man. Yeah, I'm we're going out there again in July and I'm definitely doing things different this time.
[00:19:10] Tayson: It only takes one experience. I got altitude sickness last year in July on a trip and I came back and studied a lot and learned a lot. And we actually put a video out a little while ago about you know the tips and things I've learned about that. Yeah, it sucks. I got to stick on the first day and then had to do another Like 40 or 45 miles, you know, to
[00:19:36] Tayson: finish the trip and not being able to eat anything, you know, drinking as much as you can. But it's not much it was I actually was curious when you're kind of yours only like one day and then kind of went away. Did you guys end up dropping an elevation? Is that part of what helped you out to um from it?
[00:19:51] Bryce: Initially, yes, but it did kind of come back. So I felt the elevation out there. I want it before we even Like got to the trailhead. I was feeling it. Like I knew it something just didn't feel right. So we landed in Denver which I live it 900 feet elevation here so we landed Denver which is like you know, 6,000 feet. We spent the night at this dude's house we drive to
[00:20:19] Bryce: the trailhead which is 9,000 feet and immediately climb up to 10,000. So you know what is that less than about 12 hours off the plane? We're already at 10,000 feet. We then hiking I'm like I were out there with the brewmaster you know. Like you don't have the brewery, he's got all these craft beers. So we're bringing craft beer with us. So the very first break I cracked one open and I'm
[00:20:44] Bryce: like, oh, Mom vacation. Dude, I'm having to beer right now, plus you know, it'll help my pack weight, it was very, very heavy on that trip. So that was a bad. That was a really bad call and then we we cruise up to 11,000 feet and so that's all the first day, we cruise up to 12,000 foot And then they crack open. We're gonna have a pass celebration, be our past beer. So I'd crack
[00:21:10] Joe: One open there too. So stupid,
[00:21:13] Bryce: especially since I was already like they already knew I was kind of dogging behind which I don't really, really ever get super tired on the trail like being a runner. Yeah
[00:21:25] Bryce: it takes a lot to really get me down but I was struggling before that that pass beer and then right after that I was just like holding my head down. Just trying to get to camp and it was Horrible. That first night, definitely couldn't eat. I remember trying to eat a Goldfish cracker and I couldn't even hardly chew it. Couldn't couldn't couldn't eat anything and then like with secondly
[00:21:51] Tayson: putting these beers man.
[00:21:52] Joe: But but yeah, yeah no kidding.
[00:21:54] Bryce: But to answer your question, the second day we dropped down a little bit. We dropped back down to 10,000 and then I think maybe to 9,000 so and I I felt like it helped. I don't know if it was just in my head then we're going down. Thank you. But it
[00:22:10] Tayson: you're pretty lucky because drop into 9,000 is I mean typically you gotta drop you know down into like seven or six to start recovery from it. Oh okay.
[00:22:20] Tayson: That's probably a big benefit of you just being a runner and being strong and stuff to be able to maybe.
[00:22:26] Joe: Yes. So we get 9000 feet. Still
[00:22:28] Bryce: the funny thing was so we cruised around 9:10, maybe 11,000 for the next couple of days and I actually felt Like I felt it in my head like a lot of people say like you think elevation low oxygen, it's going to be all your lungs which that was my only concern going out there. I'm like I'm a runner like I got iron lungs, these things are fine but it was all head.
[00:22:53] Bryce: It was all up in my head in the third day. It came back slightly nothing like the first day I could eat. I could do everything but it just felt Goofy and it went off and on like, the whole trip and like the very last day or maybe it was the second last day, I don't know, but I started feeling it again. Luckily, when we summoned Mount Elbert, which is 14,300 some
[00:23:16] Bryce: feet, I thought pretty good that day. So I on that one.
[00:23:21] Joe: Mount Elbert is one of my two, it's of altitude sickness. I could not Summit Mount Albert I went at the bottom at that campsite that's like 9000 feet or whatever. and then we went up there and I was about I don't know. I was a quarter mile away from the end and I just was so sick and dizzy and like, almost having like a panic attack kind of symptoms more than anything.
[00:23:47] Joe: Like suddenly I was afraid of heights and I was never afraid of heights before. Like the same way, like it was
[00:23:52] Joe: all. It was awful. So I see you guys going up, Mount over him like
[00:23:57] Bryce: Yeah, I I believe that when when you're experiencing that issue which you know I mean everybody has their first time getting out these sickness, it would probably be probably be a shock to a lot of people and it would kind of put you in kind of a panic because it's it's a weird feeling. I've never felt anything like that before. We just got our plane tickets and we're going back out there.
[00:24:21] Bryce: I'm not, we're not even sure what sections we're doing yet. But and I told him because when they asked me if I wanted to go I'm like are we like acclimating this time or like what? Because I don't want to do that again. But we are going out again. We are not acclimating. We're doing pretty much the exact same thing but I think I was A little dehydrated, actually, I think it
[00:24:46] Bryce: was pretty dehydrated. My pack was super heavy that didn't help at all. And I had actually just ran my 100 mile, or, like a week or two before that. And I don't know if that had anything to do with
[00:25:00] Joe: it, like, Kevin told me in the comments, he goes, Don't Run,
[00:25:03] Bryce: 100, mile or the week before we go or whatever. But it was just I feel like there's a lot I can do different this trip, so I'm pretty confident. That's not gonna happen again.
[00:25:14] Joe: What are you gonna do different? I'm curious. What's your plan right now?
[00:25:17] Bryce: I'm gonna drink a ton of water. I'm gonna drink a ton of water for sure. That's my number one thing. And
[00:25:25] Tayson: I'm going. I mean, you're a runner. So you've got to be, you gotta know something, like your lights.
[00:25:29] Bryce: Yeah. Definitely. Because I didn't do any of that. I get a little cocky sometimes because I've done some pretty crazy runs where it's like, when I look at backpacking, you know I don't really have to train because I'm already trained for running. I don't prepare for backpacking, hardly at all because you know in my head it's not going to be anything. Like running a 50 or 100 so it's just like, oh
[00:25:53] Bryce: just wing it all drink a beer within an hour but definitely gonna cut out the beer. I'm cutting out the beer at least for a couple days. But that's that's the game plan, more water electrolytes and no beer,
[00:26:07] Joe: but so is it, your friend? Is it who has the Brewing Company or works at Brewing Company?
[00:26:13] Bryce: Uh, yeah, he's a friend. Now that was the first time I met him out there so he's got a brewery down in Columbus Ohio. So the the show is actually introduced me to him.
[00:26:24] Joe: Oh I would have thought it was the Colorado saying, they're very famous. I craft brew scene over there,
[00:26:30] Bryce: one would think, but yes, family out there too. So they had a house out there that we stayed at, but yeah, there are Columbus based Brewery. Okay,
[00:26:39] Tayson: cool. Yeah, I think you're on the right path. I mean, I think the two easiest things to remember is just like limit the amount of stress on your body. So like even things like good sleep or Don't Run 100 Miler, you know, or your body still struggling to recover that kind of stuff, just any kind of stress on the body that you can show up as fresh as you can. And then
[00:26:58] Tayson: the biggest thing I see is hydration people don't realize when they're up that high. There's wind. There's Sun constantly and they could be sweating a ton and never get wet. Like their shirt would never get wet and they don't even realize they're sweating. So it's it's big. Like when we just did the Grand Canyon, that's not really an elevation thing but like right, drink 12 liters of water. I counted them in
[00:27:17] Tayson: one day. Thinking quite do that, you know, on a backpacking trip. But, but like, it was funny because we were hiking out this kids. Like, do you think I could go to the bottom and back out and were like, well, we don't know you or your physical capabilities and he's like, it's like I can walk. What do you say? I could walk 30 kilometers and in the city just fine. And I'm
[00:27:37] Tayson: like, I don't know if you should still do this, you know. And he's like I don't like do you have a like you need a lot of water. Do you got you got water and stuff and he's like, oh yeah I got a ton of water. I got these three Gatorades. Yes, three Gators were like yeah, you shouldn't do it. You shouldn't do.
[00:27:55] Bryce: Yeah, that's that's an environment that I pretty much have no experience in. I hate in a Canyonlands and it was so foreign to me. It's just I mean, being alive here, we have water everywhere. And I don't, I don't really even drink like a ton of water like when I'm running, I'm really religious about, you know, all my nutrition and everything but backpacking. I just winged it. I probably get dehydrated. Slightly
[00:28:24] Bryce: almost every time I backpack. And Just can't do that out west and that's something that, you know, I every time I go out there, it's so foreign to me that I learned something. Every time I go,
[00:28:37] Tayson: I just learned something about hiking where you guys are out. We were just out in Virginia and I learned that you don't need to carry four liters of water. So yeah,
[00:28:44] Bryce: yeah, I I don't carry more than a leader ever. Pretty much in Ohio crazy. Yeah, so crazy
[00:28:51] Bryce: on it, to be honest. Probably. Less than that all the time.
[00:28:56] Bryce: I don't ever have a really, a full leader on me.
[00:28:58] Tayson: That would be so dangerous. I feel like out here, I mean, yeah yeah, it would,
[00:29:04] Joe: how much of the Colorado Trail have you done? So in 2018, we did sections two
[00:29:11] Bryce: through six. so, we skipped the first section and then ended up in Breckenridge. And then last year, we skipped sections 7. And I think we started on eight. And I think we did eight through 12 or wherever wherever elbert's ends. So basically I've been tagging along in this ships so she'll brother's that I go with they they plan the trip. So
[00:29:39] Joe: chill Brothers. Chill Brothers has a YouTube channel, right? Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:43] Joe: Okay. That's that. Sounds really familiar for some
[00:29:45] Bryce: Sheila Brothers Outdoors. Now.
[00:29:47] Tayson: So is your goal to finish the Colorado driving? For those that don't know, I believe the Colorado Trail is a 450 Mile Trail, right? Mm-hmm
[00:29:56] Tayson: in that range and I have no idea how many sections. Like, how many miles do you think you've completed of it now, do you plan to like try to finish the whole thing or?
[00:30:04] Bryce: Okay. So I think I've done about 160 miles of it because the first Time. We went out. We did 100 miles. I my goal is to never like through hike or like a section hike. It But now that we're gonna go out there and bang out another section. I mean, it's looking like that might happen someday. The
[00:30:23] Joe: only thing logistically that's gonna suck is we've skipped sections now so go back one of these days. Yeah,
[00:30:30] Bryce: once we're done with all the cool stuff, we got to go back and do water tin Canyon like the flat first section of it and kind of in my head. Like I've actually thought about this and I think oh, I'll go back and I'll just run that section. And then I'll have some pick me up and then all, you know, like Fast pack or run like, Section, 8, whatever. So, I think,
[00:30:53] Bryce: if we get closer to the end, I might try to, you know, do the sections that we skipped. But I really have no plan on through hiking strictly because there's just so much cool stuff, out west. And although, like, Colorado Trail is very diverse and there's always something New especially for someone like me that lives in the green tunnel of the East. There's just so much cool stuff out there. And I
[00:31:19] Bryce: just like, I like trying new places. Well, what is the, what is
[00:31:23] Joe: your favorite? Backpacking trip? What's the first one that pops into your head? When someone asks you like what's the best? Backpack or hike you've ever been on?
[00:31:31] Bryce: That, that have to be Oregon. So, and it's weird because it like holds a special place in my heart because I did it so low, and that's just completely changes the whole dynamic of a hike. When you're, when you don't have anybody to, you know, joke around with. It's just a completely different atmosphere whenever you're by yourself and you have nobody to look look after, you know, you got to have your
[00:31:56] Bryce: own back. So I had to do so much more planning, just, you know, for every bad scenario and even out there. Just being in a completely foreign landscape because I had never, I had never been to the West. Other than that first, Colorado trip. When I went out there and did this so low, And it was, I mean at times it was just kind of scary and the Oregon to me was
[00:32:21] Bryce: just absolutely beautiful. I've wanted to go back ever since that trip but what I did was the three sisters wilderness And that's a 60 mile loop. I did I mean, I got out there and it's different when you have people because you stopped early for camp and have a good time, but I found and I really didn't realize this idea that trip, but I just wanted to hike more and more, and
[00:32:45] Bryce: more because I get to where I was gonna camp and it'd be three or four oclock, and I'm like, man, I'm just gonna what I'm, like, what are you gonna do? I love the outdoors. But I mean, even I get, I'll get bored out there and I don't really listen, like audiobooks or anything like that. So I, I did the 60 Mi section with the South sister some at In three days.
[00:33:09] Bryce: So I need to camped out there, two days. So that was 20 plus miles a day. And then I went to Bend Oregon, went to the brewery scene, got a hotel room for the night and then immediately went up the next day to do the Timberline Trail around Mount Hood.
[00:33:27] Tayson: Sound like that trip. Yeah, that was awesome.
[00:33:30] Bryce: That one was that that's the one that really sticks with me because going into a 40 mile loop around like a mountain. Like I've never seen before. A knot on Fresh legs at all. I was actually very, very blistered in the videos. I talked about how I was gimping for the first like two days. It was. It was sketchy, some of those, some of those water crossings that they say you're not
[00:33:57] Bryce: supposed to hit and later in the afternoon because the the glacier runoff, the glaciers will melt, and the water, crossings get pretty treasurous. Well, when I was on the Northern section of the loop where you cross about, I want to say four, four to six of these water Crossings in the majority of them, it was pouring down rain all day. So, they were frightening, I mean, there was there were certain stream
[00:34:23] Bryce: Crossings where I stood there for probably five minutes, just getting like the courage to go through the water, or to jump over rocks or cross trees. I remember one. There was this big big round tree that was just like, you know, so safe to walk across and wide but the water was so high. It was almost up to the top of it and it's like the water's going over the top of
[00:34:48] Bryce: the tree. And I mean, it was white water and it was scary. I mean it was I don't even know if it comes across in the video. Yeah, I know, at some point I said like, all right, I gotta I got a camp because I just can't mentally take another stream Crossing because they just it was one right after another. And luckily the next day it didn't rain and they weren't so
[00:35:10] Bryce: bad. But that trip just the beauty in general going through the big huge pine trees like, I've never seen and it was all foggy on the third day, it was just absolutely gorgeous. Use like I'm never seen before. And that's that one sticks in that. That's my top number one trip.
[00:35:31] Joe: What's like a what's like a bucket list trip?
[00:35:36] Bryce: so, I had the Wonderland Trail in Washington on the radar for a while just because I like to organs so much like I got to go back to Pacific Northwest and I was really planning on doing that this year, you have to get a Kind of hard to get permit, you have to enter
[00:35:57] Bryce: a lottery to do that trail. There's a loophole though, if you go out and do a walk on, you can get permit sometimes. so my plan was to enter for the permit but then have actually no, no no, no, I wasn't to enter for the permit, like I entered the permit or entered the lottery, but never got it. My plan was to fly out there and try to get a walk on
[00:36:22] Bryce: to do the Wonderland Trail, but then have a plan B. So if I didn't get it, I would still have another Trail, you know, Pacific Northwest. Like, it can't be bad. Like it's beautiful out there. So I was gonna have something else planned. And I was actually about a week away from planting that and I got reached a guy reached out to me, that has another a smaller YouTube channel and he
[00:36:47] Bryce: got a permit to the core and shamans in Washington, which is Like once in a lifetime, I think I like you have a less less than 4% chance of getting this camping permit. You can through hike, through the area but he just can't camp in the enchantment core. This five enchantments, the core is the Hard One to get. So he invited me on that and I thought about it for a few
[00:37:13] Bryce: days, I'm like this is just gorgeous. So I threw the Wonderland Trail plans aside, and that's where I'm going to be going this coming August. It's awesome. You gonna be making a video about it. I see. Oh yeah. Of course.
[00:37:29] Bryce: Probably a few out there because the section is actually pretty small. I think it's only like a 22 Mile section, which was kind of, I was kind of on the fence because I'm like man it's flying all the way out there. Only 22 miles. I mean I like beautiful scenery but I also have this like competitiveness in me that's like I want to do more. You know, I want to do, 100
[00:37:50] Bryce: Mile Trail, I want to, you know, make it worth my while. So it took a lot for me to come to terms with only doing 22 miles out there but I mean, from the pictures I've seen in the videos I've watched, it's just going to be absolutely gorgeous, and I'm just gonna take a little bit slow, or I'll probably film multiple videos out there. I'll have lots of Camp time to, you
[00:38:14] Bryce: know, play around shoot and stuff and just enjoying and area that, you know, I'll never get to Camp there again. It's just, it's that hard of a permit to get So our audience really loves
[00:38:26] Joe: gear stuff, and this kind of like the last the last thing we got to ask you about Jason. If you have any questions, you can bring up, I what are your What are like your your main your is it your big three is like your backpack your your sleeping bag and your tents. What are you using? Okay
[00:38:47] Bryce: so right now as far as tank goes, I've been using the six Moon designs or six? Yeah, six million designs. Deschutes tarp. And then I use the serenity Net10 in there. So it's kind of like a lunar solo except it's it's two piece and you have a lot less room because that one person and bug net is tight. I can see so many people not enjoying that but I really like to
[00:39:15] Bryce: shelter because I can keep the inner dry whenever it's raining and I've been enjoying that. It's pretty light weights for the the backpack I've been using the I Have multiple light AF backpacks? Right now, I'm using a 35 liter with their with their new Ultra fabric the Eco pack Fabric and I really like that. I think 35 liters is like my sweet spot, the 40. I always had a little bit a
[00:39:43] Bryce: little bit too much extra room.
[00:39:46] Bryce: And the 35 is just, it's just perfect, I think, and I guess for sleeping bag, I use hammock gear quilts. So I have a zero 20 40 degree, and I use the econ version because they're they're cheaper and I'm a budget guy and I mean really, they're just the best value. I think for quills, you know, no offense tasting and I've never, I've never tried an Outdoor Vitals sleeping bag but I
[00:40:14] Bryce: know as far as quilts go, the economic gears that they're great. All right.
[00:40:22] Joe: Jason, you have any questions for Bryce?
[00:40:25] Tayson: I'm sure I do. Yeah, I think it's it's all pretty fascinating I think just to learn about you and whatnot. You're running your backpacking. Your filming. You kind of mentioned a few times that you like to,
[00:40:39] Tayson: you know, try to do 100 miles, you know, like that. That's seems to be kind of something you've brought up a few times and it's something that we talked about a lot here because, you know, we have to run a company we have responsibilities there, most of us have families and kids. And so, you know, a through hike, through hike is just not really an option and probably never will be for
[00:41:02] Tayson: a lot of us. And I think, I don't think that there's a bad rap or anything around that, but there's like, kind of all those guys like, oh, you know, you're legit if you're too high and I'm, I, I kind of I disagree with that as far as like, I think Go to 100 Mi like and do multiple hundred miles in a year, you know, and stuff and there's and there's you
[00:41:22] Tayson: still need performance gear, and you still become a Gearhead and you still become, you know, you still develop all these skills and things like that. So I'd be curious just to hear your perspective of like 100 miles and like what do you get out of that versus a 30 mile, you know, backpacking trip or, or, you know, just, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.
[00:41:44] Bryce: Yes. So it's It's definitely like a competition with myself. I feel like like even if I'm doing a small Trail or something I always I mean, I feel really good about myself when I when I, you know, feel really depleted at the end of the day and I did a 20 plus mile or something and, and being a runner and an ultra Runner. Like, I, I actually, like really like the feeling
[00:42:12] Bryce: of having just my legs, kind of tight, and it's just Like you said, yeah, a lot of people think that, you know, you're not a real Backpacker unless you're through hiker or whatever and you know that that kind of sucks for the people that can't get out there and and go do that. And yeah, they they have a lot of experience. I mean that's A lot of nights in a tent when
[00:42:37] Bryce: you actually do like a real through hike, there's no doubt that, you know, when you do that, you're gonna be more experience than a lot of us Weekend Warriors. You know, I can say I, I haven't spent nearly what it takes to do a through hike, probably in my tent, but there Like I would love to do through hike. I don't really know if it's in the cards or not but the
[00:42:59] Bryce: hundred mile or it's just that's a solid distance. I mean when you say 100 Miler like people like perk up like nobody can like people that aren't Backpackers or Runners. That is kind of an impossible. You know mileage. I remember my first trip we intended on doing a 16-mile loop. We ended up getting lost and ended up only doing eight but I remember. But I remember doing. I remember thinking that like
[00:43:28] Bryce: wow 16 miles that is so much and the higher you go up the just more normalized it becomes the more attainable distances become and even before I did my 100 mile run, you know, I like in my head like confidence is key. So, in my head I'm like, I know I got it but you still don't know if you can do this distance and now that I did it now. It now
[00:43:55] Bryce: it's like, oh now I wouldn't even think twice about going out and doing it again. And now I, you know, probably regrettably like kind of want to do a longer one but
[00:44:04] Tayson: Come on. Moab 2:30 out here.
[00:44:06] Bryce: Yeah, yeah that's I've talked about it.
[00:44:12] Tayson: Well, I think that's really interesting and one of the things that you hit on as one of the primary drivers for me is is like more opportunities open up when you can go a little bit farther, meaning like roots that used to be just not attainable or not attainable, right? Like if your limit is like, all right, my limit is, I can only get away for four days at a time, let's
[00:44:31] Tayson: say, and I can only go this far. You know, that's the pool that you get to choose from. But when you've got the ability to go, you know, 100 miles in four days or something like that, like suddenly these roots open up which I think is pretty cool. In fact, we got I got kind of still hung up on just that concept that we actually put together a challenge that's running right
[00:44:51] Tayson: now. In fact, they're packaging all the swag boxes for it called the the UL member 100 challenge.
[00:44:57] Joe: Okay. Yes, I saw that. Yeah.
[00:44:59] Tayson: So we're kind of pushing that out there to try to get people to to basically go and set a big goal. And then we're trying to give him a framework and some training and some and just whatever we can do to try to help him accomplish it because Yeah, when I do surveys and stuff like that, it's not common that anyone's ever done, even that distance. So Anyways, I thought I'd just
[00:45:18] Tayson: picked your brain on that. What? What? 100 mile race to end up doing? I did
[00:45:23] Bryce: Mohican, which is I it's one of like the first five 100 milers in the country. I think it's one of the oldest ones but it's it's not easy. It's not easy by any by any means. It's I think the hardest 100 miler in the state. The reason why I picked that is because I actually pasted a guy that did it like two years prior. And I mean, I love Mohican, I backpack
[00:45:50] Bryce: out there all the time, I know those Trails, so it just kind of seemed right? That, that was going to be my first one. That
[00:45:57] Tayson: is it tough because of climbing and descending or rocky Rudy Trails or what's kind of the thing that that makes you say, it's one of the tougher ones
[00:46:04] Bryce: that one is elevation like, being in Ohio out here, not like huge. Elevation like changes, but the trails out here aren't created nearly as good. I feel like it's anywhere. I've been out west, so not a lot of switchbacks, just really steep ups and downs. And it's it was just a tough course, altogether.
[00:46:30] Tayson: So, I signed up for my first Ultra. So I'm just kind of curious on that. What, what distance are you doing? I'm doing a 70k. So, it's like, 43. 444 miles, but
[00:46:42] Tayson: I I didn't do it very wise because I I like I know the mountain that it's on. It's on the tushars and That was also the mountain. I got elevation sickness on, so I think that I have a problem with like wanting to go back and like Conquer something on it. When I lose I feel like and so I signed up for it thinking out like I can, I can do that
[00:47:02] Tayson: kind of mileage. I've done it before type of thing and then as I like piece together, the the journey a little more, I realized, but there's like basically starts it at around nine and a half or 10,000 feet and then you climb just up and down all day, 16,000 feet of elevation gain. And descent. And so then I was really freaking out about it and then I was like, all right, well
[00:47:25] Tayson: maybe I can still run it like middle of the pack, right? And like, like not have to run in the dark was kind of my thought. Like if I can finish it and like, you know, 12 or 13 hours and I would not have to run in the dark. And so, I was thinking about that, I kept training and then I like got on Ultra sign up and started to look at
[00:47:42] Tayson: the people that were like, in the middle of the pack, and it's like, this is their 10th Ultras, this is their 12 Ultra and I'm like, What the heck? Have I done. So
[00:47:51] Bryce: there's always newbies that every Ultra I do it's such a fun Community. Everybody's so friendly. It's not really competitive at all. Like like a lot of the smaller 5Ks half marathons that I do ultra running just a completely different. Vibe. I feel like everybody's just out there having a good time. Eating lots of good food, but everyone says
[00:48:13] Joe: there's there's always new guys.
[00:48:15] Bryce: I always run into new guys out there and it's it's cool to see people getting in into that sport because it seems so unattainable to people. But I really think, you know, once you start running, you get into it like any, I think, I really think anybody can do an ultra, you know, it's, it's, you do a lot of walking, you know, you walk up a lot of Hills, like, even the
[00:48:34] Bryce: pros, they don't run all that. Yeah. Yeah,
[00:48:37] Tayson: I think that's gonna be Part of, I mean, it really the last like, training block that I'm doing before. It is gonna be a whole lot of Power hiking, I guess you could call it and just getting
[00:48:49] Tayson: it getting two elevation and just climbing a lot of elevation. And so I have done a lot of hiking thingy and I've done a lot of good days hiking so an ultimate of power I think. Yeah,
[00:49:01] Bryce: I can't recommend walking training enough because that's honestly what took me down. I didn't my first 50 mile or Swear it was the pat like I was power walking after I couldn't hardly run anymore and it just like was pulling my groin muscles and walking. Actually, it takes a lot like a lot out on me. So I do a lot of, you know, run walking training and then I focused a lot
[00:49:29] Bryce: on like time time on feet training. So it didn't matter how fast I was going whether I was walking or not. It just wanted a certain amount of hours that day and then you definitely want to throw in some back-to-backs in there too. Yeah, so yeah.
[00:49:46] Tayson: Well, you can watch me either Finnish or film miserably, I'm sure.
[00:49:49] Joe: Yeah, I love to see it.
[00:49:51] Tayson: Come back to, for more advice on that. But yeah,
[00:49:55] Bryce: man, I'll help ya. If you got any questions? I mean, I, I know a thing or two. I'm actually my video been playing all day today. It pertains to ultra running and backpacking so my good one for it,
[00:50:07] Tayson: take another right person. So I'm all about that.
[00:50:09] Joe: That's a good segue. I think where can people find you and your
