[00:00:00] Joe: Welcome everyone to the Live Ultralight podcast, powered by Outdoor Vitals. This podcast is about inspiring you to get Outdoors. Showing you how to lighten your pack and build your confidence so that you can start living your life full of Adventure. I am Joe and I am here with Jason
[00:00:16] Joe: And Brigham. And today, we're going to be talking about a cool intro.
[00:00:21] Tayson: We need to figure out like a cool way to introduce.
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[00:00:36] Brigham: what's what we need? Let's zip lock. There's Ziploc.
[00:00:39] Joe: That's his Trail name, Ziploc? Is just like Australia. This is Trail neighborhood. Okay,
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[00:01:02] Joe: we're gonna talk about today, we're gonna talk about what should be in your emergency kit. We had a YouTube video on this a few weeks ago We figured we would Deep dive further into this topic. What? Do first off should Backpackers have an emergency kit? Is that an obvious question?
[00:01:02] Tayson: Yes, it's probably not obvious to everyone though, and what I would add even to that is, I think a lot of people
[00:01:28] Tayson: think of happening at for
[00:01:29] Tayson: backpacking, but I can remember where I was reading that I was reading somewhere online and it talked about how most accidents happen on day trips and people don't bring them on day trips either. So, nice thing is what I would say with this is build your kit and make it so that you can bring it everywhere. You know what I mean? So it is critically important and it's probably more important than
[00:01:51] Tayson: you think. I now I've started to bring it, whether I'm getting on dirt bike, whether I'm hiking, whether I'm just with the family, whatever it is, it's just easy to grab and take it. It's a little
[00:02:00] Tayson: bit of a piece of My accurate.
[00:02:00] Joe: So can I confess that I have not brought an emergency kit on any one of our trips? It's obviously
[00:02:13] Brigham: To provide for them,
[00:02:18] Joe: I have a first aid kit and I look at it every time and I go make someone else. Exactly. I've got I've got I got migraine medications now and I have and I have an inhaler and that's it. That's my emergency kit. It's like this is probably what's gonna happen at an EpiPen in your good man. I have yet to come across anything. I'm allergic to and that and that sort of way. Luckily it's
[00:02:44] Tayson: good. I don't see a massive scorpion on our last outing. So
[00:02:48] Joe: We did. Yeah, or I did and I took a video of it on my Instagram. It was like barely you could see it. Yeah, it was like so quick. but yeah, yeah, the worst Scorpion's out there that was on the Chinle Chinle Trail and Zion National Park, which is our last Excursion, we are about to embark on. Well, you guys are about to embark on the rim to rim to rim. Yes, fast
[00:03:17] Joe: pack in the Grand Canyon which would probably be something that you would have specialty.
[00:03:21] Tayson: Want in emergency kit for
[00:03:24] Joe: I would guess unless you guys are gonna like dumped, all that, just for, because it's fast packing, you only have 30 liters know,
[00:03:31] Brigham: I take it all. I don't know what we're diving into. I have no idea. I have my own personal opinions about things, but I don't know what we're talking.
[00:03:40] Tayson: What should be in an emergency kit? But this is what we need to do. Joe has no emergency kit. Brigham is probably one of the most prepared at all times. I guess. Just really built into his personality to to be thinking of contingency plans and stuff like that as well as the kit. So this is why we need both you on this podcast.
[00:04:00] Joe: Well, I would just say, oh
[00:04:01] Tayson: so if you're asking, are you gonna take anything out of your emergency kit for a Grand Canyon? I would almost be willing to say
[00:04:07] Tayson: no. Am I right? You're
[00:04:10] Brigham: wrong. Emergency kit. User. Cater them towards the application. Okay, so
[00:04:23] Brigham: I may add or take away to a kid depending on the trip. There's a lot of, there's, you know, their personal preferences, but then there's all. So, you know, like Risk assessments and most likely his case scenarios or most likely injuries, or none. There's all so, factors of how close to support are you. Are you in a group? There's just a lot of factors that in my that I go through in
[00:04:51] Brigham: my mind where, where, with the Grand Canyon that is actually one where I would have a more minimal emergency kit.
[00:04:58] Tayson: So before we get into what's in the kits I want to maybe ask have you ever had to use a kit or just to help people understand like why this is even important? You know what I mean? Because I think it's one of those things you hope you never have to use. And so I think when you don't use it that frequently people belittle like the importance, right? So so
[00:05:20] Tayson: have any of us I guess is. Open question, had to you dive into their medical kits and use them before. I don't calling them as it's not a medical kid, a emergency kit, and he's anything I, I
[00:05:34] Brigham: am fortunate and this fortunate to have had to use on many different levels and levels of severity various kits. That's why? I have my philosophy that I do of. Tailoring. You know, a kit for a specific trip. Keeping some base contents in there and having multiple kids that you can throw in, or take out just depending on the trip because I've used my kit to remove Thorns from children, that's another Factor.
[00:06:05] Brigham: Like are you a parent? Are you taking children with you a lot that that changes things substantially? So like yes, I have used my various kits A number of times at like, kind of the worst and most mild levels of
[00:06:22] Brigham: severity.
[00:06:22] Joe: So can I tell you a story from from my perspective? This is who I grow up with is a father, my sister my sister. I believe split her head open a little. Like I don't think it wasn't like a crack in the boner or anything like that, but it was bad enough to ask stitches. My dad took her hair, it just tied it in a knot, it called it, good. That's
[00:06:50] Joe: my father. So, I can't. I have taken a first aid kit with me. On most of my backpacking trips. Once we started going ultra light here. And in the group, I have not taken with me at all. And I have never once used it.
[00:07:08] Brigham: Yeah, that's that's like the ideal scenario. Yeah,
[00:07:11] Brigham: not to have to use,
[00:07:13] Joe: not to have to use it. Exactly. But I imagine with kids, they're gonna be a little bit more injury-prone.
[00:07:20] Tayson: Yeah, for me, I have not had to use a kit for like real large emergencies, in the sense of medical, I have used most things in my kit at times and I have definitely used my repair kits a lot. So, and those would well, one of them did turn into be kind of an emergency where I ended up having to pack out because it was unrepairable And another one I was able
[00:07:49] Tayson: to, you know, just different times to be able to repair and just continue on which is, which is ideal. So, yes, but thankfully I've died like an extreme condition. Never had to hit the SOS on the internet.
[00:08:02] Joe: That's good. And the end region is another like part of your emergency kiddle. Almost no. Yeah,
[00:08:07] Tayson: I counted as part. Yeah.
[00:08:09] Joe: So, what do you got in your emergency kit? I see a bag right here. Who's this?
[00:08:14] Tayson: Wow. If you want to see mine YouTube, you know, you can see all that. So let's dive into
[00:08:18] Joe: Brigham's first. Yeah, what you got in your emergency care here?
[00:08:18] Brigham: Yeah.
[00:08:26] Joe: I mean, we all know you got nothing on this computer screen so
[00:08:29] Tayson: it was clear up some space here.
[00:08:31] Joe: so, a lot of some of this stuff is
[00:08:35] Brigham: For example, what I would consider part of this kit would be my headlamp, but I keep that in my hip belt pocket on
[00:08:43] Tayson: my pack and, and maybe for those listening that aren't watching this on YouTube. How heavy would you just estimate? Let me
[00:08:49] Joe: fill that. It's not big.
[00:08:50] Brigham: It's around 10 oz. Because I waited like it's just depends on, I've taken some things out and put some other things in generally it's around 10 ounces and that's like what I'm sure we'll get into this. It's not like just a medical kid. There's other.
[00:09:05] Tayson: Yeah, emergency or contingency items in there. So what you're looking at here on the tables like a like a
[00:09:12] Tayson: six, by four, by two and a half inch type little kits, not big, not big at all. Like a large sandwich. You might say, That's
[00:09:24] Joe: about right, so it's good, he's
[00:09:27] Brigham: slices of bread and meat and cheese.
[00:09:31] Tayson: sometimes I trade my kit for a sandwich on the trail, but, you know,
[00:09:34] Brigham: so no particular order, a little baggie of Ibuprofen and Tylenol.
[00:09:41] Joe: You know, I told a guest, it will be nest with next week's guest told her about tasting, your your, the way that you had your, your all your medication bag and that you had a sticky note, to tell you, which ones were which? Yeah, she thought it was pretty funny. Oh, we'll get into that.
[00:10:02] Brigham: Tenacious. Section is Tenacious Tape. A couple patches. That's kind of
[00:10:08] Brigham: Gear Repair and then I keep this bag is more specific to
[00:10:15] Tayson: like medical. I mean, are you changing your zip box after every trip, or do you just keep them that nice? I mean those look like brand new change.
[00:10:24] Brigham: Usually the meds like the pain meds, that one gets changed the most because I use those the most. So, like gets ripped the most frequently, like this one here. And then I always take like, Half and half two lighters in here. I must have found one. So two lighters a little bit of pyro putties or you know Fire Starting Tinder. um, I always keep bug net in there because it is very
[00:10:59] Brigham: light, but it's kind of like multi-use if it gets really nasty water. And you can kind of sort out, pre-filter it. Yeah. Like A little excessive on the fire. So two lighters in this little Fire. I don't
[00:11:13] Joe: fill that one because I always avoid these, because they're so heavy. But that one's
[00:11:18] Tayson: Not too bad. It's a self-made. One there. Yeah. And then you can strike out with your knife.
[00:11:23] Joe: Yeah. Oh okay. So it's make sparks. Yeah. You just scrape it and it's got it. It'll, it'll light. Stuff. Yeah, like feral rod. That's what I'm
[00:11:34] Brigham: yeah. Yeah, they're on fire steel and then I keep two aaa's and I give them in a balloon in the heroine
[00:11:43] Brigham: balloons weighs nothing. But it's totally waterproof and you're not gonna get any issues sometimes. Triple A's will eventually leak or they'll seat belts and nastiness. So having it in the balloon. Yeah,
[00:11:55] Tayson: keeps it. I think that's being sealed in there keeps it from leaching, because I think moisture is the biggest cause. Yeah, for sure,
[00:12:03] Brigham: I mean, so little kids, you know, birthday party balloons, And then this is what I use for scissors. It's a little Victorinox, tiny one, so it's got scissors, multi-tool. Yeah. I
[00:12:16] Tayson: I used to think as a kid those were literally four kids. Like I thought they were like kind of a joke of an item. And, you know, As I Grew Older, I started to realize how many people with like, like just take them on trips like this and it's like no those were actually useful like I thought so things for play kids go like a nearly dull my knife and a little
[00:12:36] Tayson: striping but these Swiss Army.
[00:12:39] Brigham: And these little tweezers, I have removed, many thorns, and splinters from, from the kids. So that's really worth having. And then it's just got a little tiny, cutting knife, a nail file and scissors. The scissors is kind of another helpful one for like, blisters using moleskin or kind of custom making some edges. So, then scissors are nice in the first aid actual first aid category, I keep porous tape. So it's got
[00:13:11] Brigham: breathability to it. Okay, and then
[00:13:14] Tayson: when would you use chorus tape? I
[00:13:17] Brigham: just use it for my tape or any for any first date. Like, I just prefer to use the portal because it does breathe a little bit.
[00:13:24] Tayson: If I already be using logo tape, you'd be using that.
[00:13:28] Brigham: Well, I wouldn't put this in the same
[00:13:31] Brigham: for like blister purposes as I would because I have any medical. I have glucose sections in here for like blister prevention.
[00:13:39] Joe: Okay, before like bandaging and out, like
[00:13:42] Brigham: first aid, applications. I like this tape. Okay.
[00:13:47] Joe: I was wondering about blister stuff. Like I'm not seeing blisters. It's labeled right. Yeah. Then he turned it around and it was labeled. Yeah.
[00:13:54] Brigham: So this is got I take I pull our Our packing labels out of the garbage. In the warehouse because it's got the nonstick backing and then you cut them into strips and then I just unroll some Luco tape and I keep like there's maybe two six inch sections, folded in half here and then there's a blister pad.
[00:14:20] Joe: Would you take more on a longer trip of that stuff? Know
[00:14:23] Joe: how often have you had actually use that?
[00:14:26] Brigham: I rarely actually use leukotape. Okay.
[00:14:31] Brigham: but, Going to groups taking kids. It's more for other
[00:14:35] Brigham: people. And so, and then that, oh, That was Moleskine in there. Yeah, that's two. That's a sheet of moleskin folded in half. This is the Luca tape. So that's like blister treatment and then these are the little strips of gotcha. Loco, tape, nice.
[00:14:52] Tayson: I mean, something out there is just that bring them spends enough time on trail and training that he really has a good idea of feet and blister prevention. I think a lot of people blisters is a massive deal because they're not spending as much time as he Brigham is out on trail. So He kind of said like I kind of take it for other people or as a secondary backup but yeah,
[00:15:13] Tayson: there's I think you should that's not for some people asking me really important on that first, sure.
[00:15:18] Brigham: I mean, and look at like this is your heart. You are. paying very little penalty by taking a couple strips of this and In terms of your, in terms of weight and bulk, you know, if you're somebody that has issues with it, I don't know. I do keep a few of these Aqua tabs, they're just water treatment. So there's probably 10 or 12 of these in here. They each one drinks later.
[00:15:45] Brigham: So I consider that part of first aid because heat exhaustion heat injuries dehydration. That is a legitimate Scenario filters can break.
[00:15:56] Tayson: I mean you could have one freeze on you. I yeah, I have happened and I have so had them clogged. Yeah. Clogged to where they're almost unusable, or I've also had one that, I don't know exactly what happened, but it started pushing water out, the side of the filter. And I realized that I had to stop using Adam immediately. So, that's all. So and there, it's a good one. This is when
[00:16:19] Tayson: we did the Wind River trip, I
[00:16:21] Brigham: only took these In one take a filter because I thought you know like High Country streams and totally fine. So you can say a couple ounces of filter so these are I just call these bleeders. So these are like if you have a more substantial cut like God
[00:16:36] Brigham: yeah they're four by four gauze bandages. And I take steri-strips, I don't know, there's two or three packages in here. They're tiny, they're Just tiny, and then there's like some antibiotic ointment in there. You take Benadryl
[00:16:59] Brigham: children's benadryl and adult Benadryl. The children's is probably the most important. I haven't had allergic reactions to like bug bites or anything but I have had to use these for my children where they've gotten, I have a daughter that has really bad reactions of mosquito bites and she's had some pretty severe. Reactions. So and then just I call these more like kid bandages, the kid pack, because it's like all sizes of
[00:17:31] Brigham: Band-Aids which are just best for scrapes. His seen one of these in Forever Kids. This is a Benzoin tincture if you crack it open or something?
[00:17:31] Tayson: Yeah, you crack it, open, you pour it on. If you're gonna it helps bandages, stick to the skin but it also has some antiseptic There's two kind of sanitizes the site.
[00:17:55] Joe: so what I immediately, okay, there's nothing anti-itch There's nothing anti-chafe know, I
[00:18:02] Joe: mean. Okay, why is that?
[00:18:05] Brigham: Anti-itch. That's what Benadryl are you talking like bug bite, itch? Or
[00:18:11] Joe: yeah. Yeah. Let's say you rub a go up against like a nasty plant.
[00:18:15] Brigham: Yeah, I thought about that. That's not a bad idea. Is there is I just don't ever encounter a lot of poison ivy where I go or poison oak. We have encountered it but
[00:18:27] Tayson: not very much, just gonna say like itching is just
[00:18:33] Joe: Not a real thing. Benadryl might help if you want to throw a little bit like lidocaine in there. Probably. Helpful. Okay, yeah.
[00:18:46] Joe: Is there anything from your kid that's missing in his
[00:18:51] Tayson: I leave my toothbrush in there. Let's just kind of that's thing. I have a few more. Let's see. Like I had like Tums and I had my Tylenol is Tylenol PM and I'll take like ibuprofen in the dates. Typically I did have like soap just for cleaning stuff out if that's ever kind of an option. Fire starters is basically the same I had cordage in mine I carry just a little bit
[00:19:21] Tayson: of either paracord or even smaller chord than that and that's just kind of not so much medical. Just Just handy. All sorts of things, you know, guidelines on 10th. I've had to use it for ETC. I do typically have a small thing of squirrels. Squirrel Nut Butter. Yeah. And
[00:19:40] Tayson: I'll use that for different things. It's I have like these small, it's actually a sample size. I think we actually bought enough samples to sell to members, so that's probably the only place you get one that size is like a half ounce size but I keep it in there for chafing or it's just it's really like the ingredients and stuff on. Like I put that on my feet or something at night
[00:20:00] Tayson: if I was filming like they were
[00:20:01] Brigham: struggling or more, it's more multipurpose than Its kind of marketed as ya.
[00:20:06] Tayson: I really is. If you look at the ingredients, it is. I do have the water taps, I'm a big believer in that. I mean, the quickest the scariest times I've ever had in the back country has been water related. You think there's water here? There's not you burn through too much water and you're out, and it's just crazy how quick you can get dehydrated out there and then start to lose cognitive
[00:20:28] Tayson: ability or just, you know, all that kind of thing. So, to me the aqua tabs, you know, just in case something could happen is Is like almost Priority One of anything and that's like your quickest way to to get into really bad situations. My repair kit. I had like the full Tenacious Tape kit. So I have some like sealant in there and a brush. I have. The case the pad goes downhill. Yeah.
[00:20:55] Tayson: The main part to have that for sure. Or like if you riped even a maybe a rain jacket or something, I might help with ceiling those up. I use glucose tape, so I didn't have the other TP hat. I just had more glucose tape. And I've actually stopped bringing, you know, any kind of duct tape, just bring Luca tape extra batteries, carry same stuff. So,
[00:21:21] Joe: when you're using Lugo tape for a blister, how exactly you just putting that tape? Like right on the ballistic where you put it around the blister?
[00:21:21] Brigham: It's different.
[00:21:32] Brigham: Curious, I would imagine. His application. Same as mine, you use it for prevention first. Like, if you know your hotspot, know, if you know, you're prone to blisters in a certain spot, Before you even start walking on the trail, you're putting leuco tape on those areas and then pull on your socks, over it and that actually can prevent a lot of blisters
[00:21:54] Joe: from even happening. I would definitely the hot spots.
[00:21:58] Tayson: Are I think last year I was using it and it was because of hot spots. I knew, if I didn't use it, they were gonna start to develop because I could see the preemptive signs and stuff. But The most part, I don't have much blister problems, unless I'm really doing. I actually the only time I really get blisters is in wet conditions. So last year we were out on the trail doing
[00:22:21] Tayson: big mileage days in the rain and that's when my feet, they soften up and on the moisture all day and then that created my blistering problems. And I wouldn't even say their problems like with the Luca tape, it really was a non-issue for me. I might have been because my feet were numb. Most of the day I just being cold but really wasn't an issue and even afterwards it really wasn't an
[00:22:44] Tayson: issue. But that's like, if you can be preempted with Luca too, that's good. I think I mean, and step further, like I remember listening to someone maybe on a podcast talking about how they preemptively tape every time they go out and I'm like, to me, it's like, you gotta, you gotta boot problem here, like, you know, or something because I think some people are just gonna be more prone to blisters and
[00:23:05] Tayson: whatnot but I think there's there's Few different people can find different shoes. And every time I'm trying,
[00:23:11] Joe: every time I've had blisters, I feel like it's the shoes, like there will just like my last pair of You
[00:23:17] Tayson: know, workout shoes. They just like for a few weeks. Like, they were just always blistering in the same
[00:23:23] Joe: spot on the back of my heel or something like that. There's just something wrong with the shoe and my foot that didn't get along. There's but it's not like when I wear different shoes, I don't get the same blisters and I say like
[00:23:35] Tayson: the most common thing in this area is probably related to stiff boots. You know, people that are like they're really scared to ruin ankles or maybe they're hunters and they're packing heavier weights. And so they're putting on really stiff boots. And I think there's just a significantly higher probability of that was what I was
[00:23:53] Brigham: gonna add, as I think a lot of blister problems come from people overshoe themselves. Comes from. like, Inexperience or less experienced, and they just think that's what you're supposed to do. Is wear boots. We were talking about this down at the park National Park the other day, like a lot of people, they don't get out and Hike very much, but they do read articles, they see pictures and they see people wearing
[00:24:22] Brigham: Leather boots boots. Oh yeah. And but then they put them once a year, go for hike. And so I think a lot of people get blisters just from having inappropriate Footwear. I think most more experienced Backpackers that are specially ones, that are generally wearing like a trail Runner or a light hiker have way less
[00:24:41] Tayson: problems with with blisters but that's like. So that's the progression. What do you think about the guys weren't saying sandals out there?
[00:24:47] Joe: Yeah that's that's like I think going too far
[00:24:52] Brigham: if you know your body if you know
[00:24:57] Joe: if you can if you're
[00:24:59] Brigham: proven and you know like
[00:25:01] Joe: I was in Moab last weekend get some rocks under there and like
[00:25:04] Tayson: we're in Moab last weekend we're out there inside by side. There's some people biking on the trail big popular biking trail two guys. Come hiking down this Trail and we're stopped like having lunch with our kids and stuff and these guys come walking by Kid. You not one guy had sandals with socks. The other guy Sandals that were basically like the time like a 8 inch of rubber with string like two
[00:25:29] Tayson: pieces of string over the top and my body looks like fat guys hardcore and
[00:25:34] Joe: I'm like he's something, I don't know what it is, people who go barefoot. Yeah,
[00:25:39] Brigham: they're really connected. The trail
[00:25:42] Brigham: connected with the Earth.
[00:25:45] Tayson: Yeah, it's intense. I mean, I think there's a lot of people like to hike and chaco's. Like I'm not even thinking about that, but I don't, I can Chocos personally, I like just the lighter, the Footwear that I can get away with the better, the more comfortable. And just in the end of the day, fill the best. We're gonna I mean we're gonna
[00:26:00] Joe: want bug bites on my feet. I wouldn't want any.
[00:26:03] Tayson: Like I was saying,
[00:26:04] Joe: I don't wear, I don't wear shorts on hiking trips. I can't stand. Like things brushing up against me. I don't know you guys wear shorts.
[00:26:11] Brigham: I rarely wear shorts last week. I wear shorts because my all my pants were in the laundry. I work like The High Line and the skyline where we're either gonna be running or like putting in tons of miles, and maybe doing smart and D. Oh, that's a little word
[00:26:26] Joe: buggy area though. It's less
[00:26:29] Brigham: Unless what depends on time here
[00:26:31] Joe: and where you are on the trail,
[00:26:32] Brigham: please. I generally prefer. Pants or I'm saying, I don't Outdoors touching my legs. My legs are very white, they
[00:26:41] Tayson: get burnt easy. I mean same category. There you go, my caps. Get the birds toasted last time.
[00:26:47] Joe: Well I think like that's a good point is like one of the biggest things about these emergency kits like yeah you have this stuff but the biggest thing is prevention. You don't want to have to use it, so having something like the Garmin enrage or something like that, so that You know. You are covered but in case something like crazy happens and you're out there in the middle of nowhere
[00:27:08] Tayson: but like the biggest thing is like okay you don't. Yeah, you don't have anti-itch stuff, I
[00:27:15] Joe: would like some anti-itch stuff but probably best to know what those plants look like. Yeah.
[00:27:20] Joe: before you go out there on the trail,
[00:27:22] Tayson: I think that's a misconception wall with first aid kits is like people think disaster kids Not not emergency kits and even emergency, just feels like a disaster. but I think if you're not using the stuff in your kit, Like
[00:27:37] Tayson: once a year, if you're pretty active like, then maybe your kids not even right, you know what I mean? Like, their stuff. You're not using but but you Should get into that kit for something, you know what I mean? It's so I think people sometimes they just build up an emergency kit as
[00:27:52] Brigham: as like just stuff for the disasters and
[00:27:55] Tayson: and I think it's I think it should be a tool that you're calm looking at a lot. I was Surprised because I'm a little bit like I build it and then I just checked the Box, whereas Brigham's, a little more active specific for each trip. That's probably the preferred way. Everyone can kind of do it differently, but I do know I use my kid. I know you. know, people use their kids
[00:28:15] Tayson: and I think that's
[00:28:16] Brigham: A good thing. So
[00:28:17] Joe: what are you gonna do different for the Grand? Canyon.
[00:28:20] Tayson: Off the top of your head.
[00:28:23] Brigham: I will probably. Take less. It would be like taking less bandage material
[00:28:31] Tayson: because there's so many people out there with us. Mm-hmm.
[00:28:34] Joe: So many people and everybody's assuming Brigham has this stuff and then someone gets it's
[00:28:42] Brigham: pretty like everything in here is pretty, like deliberate and
[00:28:48] Tayson: Like fire starters just like, is that all needed for sure. I won't be taking two lighters. That
[00:28:52] Brigham: shouldn't be too lighters in there anyway. But I won't even be taking that because you can't even have a fire there, right? So, and it's 90 degrees down there so like yeah the fire stuff that'll be coming out and Honestly, I may just because it's convenient just not take other things out, just so I don't have to repack them.
[00:29:18] Joe: Okay. So fire stuff will be taking Children's Benadryl. It's in there that way that
[00:29:29] Brigham: their action, there is an element of convenience to, you know, trying to not take things out and put them in as much as possible. I try and have different bags that are like, more LaVey. Down.
[00:29:44] Joe: So do we know what the mosquito situations gonna be like over there? Like are they in season?
[00:29:44] Tayson: But I got it last weekend
[00:29:51] Tayson: so I'm sure they're there and we're gonna be by a river.
[00:29:54] Brigham: Yeah, sure. Colorado River. Rafting on these be spending the most time down there. Yeah.
[00:30:00] Joe: That's why I'm asking I would
[00:30:02] Brigham: be worth it for sure.
[00:30:09] Joe: is there anything else you guys want to note about being prepared for an emergency or Like that one. One that we didn't really touch on here because it wasn't in Brigham's was
[00:30:19] Tayson: I added a sewing kit into my system last year and the thought process there is let's just say hypothetically I added it when we went and did highlight last year, I could about it earlier on or something, but When it Highline, you know, we're basically so deep into the Wilderness that let's say you have the strap. Let's say it's the shoulder strap on you and somehow it, it comes undone or gets
[00:30:45] Tayson: torn. I don't know, something like that. You break a buckle even, you know what I mean? Like, you, Smash buckle on a rock, you know, step on it or something and somehow it just becomes you only got one shoulder strap now. Well, when you're 20 or so miles into the Wilderness that becomes quite a predicament, where, you know, a half ounce of thread and needle, you know, you could you could fix
[00:31:07] Tayson: it enough to continue on your trip and keep going. So sewing kit to me is not so much medical you know. But it's I think it could be a just as much as important as some of the taping and stuff like that and it's just crazy light. So I think I think a little tiny selling kit. There you spend like two or three dollars at Walmart and have everything you need. So you
[00:31:28] Joe: didn't buy a sewing kit, you made a sewing kit. I bought
[00:31:31] Tayson: a sewing kit and took half of the crap,
[00:31:33] Joe: okay. All right. So I didn't understand that when you were showing it on the video that we made, it was like It was
[00:31:39] Brigham: like a weird spool and like, yeah,
[00:31:42] Joe: it's seemed a little bit. This bike a baby tiny bit of her head and like, two needles. And I don't know if there's
[00:31:51] Tayson: anything else in there, but I mean, I just bought like a three dollar kit at Walmart and literally took like half of the stuff even in their out, right? So That's something. Obviously, you know, we've talked a lot about the Garment and reaches. I'm sure you guys are sold on those by now. Maybe the last thing would just be like, you can put these together yourself really easily. We've talked a little
[00:32:16] Tayson: bit for the membership about partnering with something like Adventure medical kits, pretty decent kits, but I would still be in the park of like, you know, if you got That for a base kit. then you could add and tailor, it just a little bit for you, you know, with the amount of ibuprofen Brigham takes, that's something he asked to tailor, every trip, you know and Now but that's that's something so yeah
[00:32:40] Tayson: if you're interested in that maybe maybe drop that in comments or email the podcast. What is that? I live Ultra Lite
[00:32:48] Joe: podcast at gmail.com, you can send us your questions comments and anything so I mean send it in
[00:32:53] Tayson: there and maybe we'll put a little bit of heat on Tyler actively is looking at that. So for him to get those you know, so you guys can get those through us and make a little bit easier
[00:33:03] Joe: and a little, I mean in the meantime, you can at least get the squirrels Not Butter. Or the inner each. Yeah. And we got some, we got some good darn tough socks that that we recommend here.
[00:33:16] Tayson: That's all the gauze I use. As a nice Fair, Darn Tough socks at the moment.
[00:33:20] Brigham: That's a good point. Good socks are a very good Blissful prevention, so
[00:33:27] Joe: I need to get into that. I've been using Sports. Socks mostly,
[00:33:30] Tayson: are you gonna get a pair for this?
[00:33:30] Brigham: I am.
[00:33:30] Tayson: Yeah, that's actually get your price.
[00:33:37] Brigham: Yeah, I would also, I would suggest that one. First aid kit doesn't do a lot of good if you don't know
[00:33:46] Tayson: what's in it, you need to talk all about that.
[00:33:49] Joe: So like yeah, talk about labeling. Talk about all of this.
[00:33:52] Tayson: We I, we shouldn't have missed over. Yeah.
[00:33:54] Brigham: So so first, I'll get to that. But first like, you know, find what works for you but Acknowledge that like what we often focus on as a company as like, you know, don't pack your fears. There's this other with first aid kits, like it's kind of this thing that sort of goes against the little bit of the packing standard of like if you don't use it then don't pack it because it's
[00:34:24] Brigham: the contingency for what probably won't ever happen, right? But it's a balance of analyzing the risk and having some sort of solution for the rare chance of something does happen. And it's a balance that like it could happen gets really, really heavy really fast and it starts to get in people's heads so you know somebody could There's no tourniquet in my pack. I have other kits that have tourniquets because the situations
[00:34:56] Brigham: that kid is for there's a higher likelihood of a more dramatic event, right? But so I think it's important that everybody understands. Like when you go backpacking you are automatically assuming some sort of risk, right? So you can't just try and think of everything that could happen and have a contingency for it or a piece of First aid, kits, specific for, you know what could happen. But Analyze your experience level, some
[00:35:26] Brigham: of the factors. What's the weather? What's the terrain? Are there other people with you? Do you have children? Things like that. And then think about, What if something, what are the more likely bad things to happen to go happen? That could happen, you know? And a lot of the times that is just if you're having kids most likely, it's a trip. And some scrapes Some Thorns or splinters because kids love breaking
[00:35:54] Brigham: sticks, right? Like that stuff's really easy to count for and then you pretty much have to just accept some level of risk that no, you don't have an irr of resources for every possible bad thing that could happen. And something that really just have to come to terms with and be okay with because, you know, bringing a defibrillator you
[00:36:17] Brigham: want to start bringing, you know, everything to handle every scenario. It's just going to Take away from the enjoyment of your trip because it weighs five pounds and
[00:36:26] Joe: they're saying learned improvise.
[00:36:29] Brigham: yeah, learn to improvise, it doesn't hurt to take some some classes but Then getting back to the actual the kit, the emergency kit and the first aid kit. I think it's very valuable even if you do buy a pre-made kit, Immediately take everything out of it and read what it is and do the mental exercise of how this would be used. And it's probably really easy because most people know how Band-Aid
[00:36:55] Brigham: is used, but there's other things that people might not know how to use. So even that of putting it together is also a great rehearsal of just knowing what's in there. So when you know, your daughter gets a splinter or Whatever, you know, a scrape then. That you can provide them some comfort quickly because, you know where the Band-Aid is, you know, where the ant is set? The antiseptic ointment is before
[00:37:20] Brigham: you put the Band-Aid on and just things like that? Hey,
[00:37:24] Tayson: one of the things that was in my that is in my kit actually came with this. I've quit clock actually in my kit and with that quick clock came, this this little fold-up piece of paper that has a bunch of like fill. Field Guide essentially for emergencies and I kept that with it and I because because what, I've what I've seen and what I've heard of as well as this as firsthand
[00:37:50] Tayson: stuff is that when things go wrong, you quit thinking as clearly and it's really easy to Panic. It's really easy to learn how to treat for shock CPR, all that. Yeah, so like you could, you know, if you were at least in enough to like pull that sheet out and quickly reference, something that would be really helpful or worst case scenario. I'm the one that's injured and the person doesn't know what
[00:38:12] Tayson: they're doing. That's trying to help me, you know what I mean? It's like you
[00:38:16] Tayson: might have something you could, you could address them towards or whatever it might be, but I think that's helpful. I mean obviously that's secondary to reading that beforehand and things beforehand because practice and and You know, building almost those habits. You know, I mean, it's going to be what you really need in an emergency situation of like, if this happens, then this and that's trained in your mind a little bit. That's
[00:38:40] Tayson: the only best case scenario, but that's kind of the fallback piece and yeah, I agree. I think that there's definitely more. I could learn about Phil, you know, in the field medical stuff that would probably be helpful as well. A lot of times, you know, you just think I've got really good common sense and sometimes that common sense is nowhere to be found, you know, after a 25-mile day on the mountain
[00:39:03] Tayson: and and then you fall, you know what I mean? And then you've then you've got an issue or something.
[00:39:07] Joe: Is anybody in the office? The first responder I had to take, I had to be a person. I had to do that twice. I had to do. I did it once in high school and then I did it again a few years later, when I was working at the Boise, I can't we all had to be like first responder
[00:39:20] Brigham: certified Wilderness. First, responder sir,
[00:39:22] Joe: it wasn't Wilderness. It was just first responder. Oh yeah,
[00:39:25] Joe: I'm just wondering, if I've had. Various.
[00:39:30] Tayson: Yeah, I'm sure you have. Military stuff
[00:39:33] Tayson: I did stuff in Boy Scouts those? Yeah. Or like some stuff. Like it pools. You know, I think. I was always around the pool in my younger days, so, like lifeguard. Type stuff, speaking of Boys Scouts in there and they're saying
[00:39:45] Joe: they would suggest you have a mirror in a compass in a magnifying glass. Where is all that stuff at
[00:39:59] Brigham: I've never been lost. You have a phone and a GPS.
[00:40:02] Tayson: I actually thought you did carry a small Compass. No, not in this one. Okay.
[00:40:07] Brigham: If if I'm going Like solo for multiple days in area that I've never been. And, you know, then I consider bringing the compass, really only
[00:40:19] Tayson: good if you have a map. So
[00:40:22] Joe: like it has to be a pretty specific map. And then you can figure out where North is and where you are. Yeah.
[00:40:27] Tayson: It's, you know, it's a different thing. But again, everyone needs to be specific to two but I, I was trained from a very young age, even my grandpa just pick out land. Marks. Like I just, I just always have been trained to pick out landmarks and try to know more on that and stuff. But so, some people like that, don't do that. My my wife for instance like He could take her
[00:40:49] Tayson: up the street and I feel like she should get lost sometimes, right? So like knowing yourself is important, but I also like what I like to do is all these typically spend hours and, you know, hours and hours over weeks and weeks. If I know I'm going into an area just on Google Earth or my favorite is, you know, Onyx Maps. Bring it to 3D view of everything with the trails going
[00:41:09] Tayson: which way and like, it'd be very rare for me to get somewhere and not be able to pick out major landmarks right away. You know, we don't we're not up in Alaska where it's too big of land to understand, you know. Or, you know, it's even in some of the biggest Wilderness areas here, like I typically would have a pre dang good idea of where everything's at just from, you know, my
[00:41:30] Tayson: my call it a hobby of just spending time on Google Earth. Yeah,
[00:41:34] Joe: I do think a whistle would not be a bad idea.
[00:41:36] Brigham: It's not way plastic one. I've used a whistle.
[00:41:40] Brigham: Okay to help find somebody. So Not in there.
[00:41:49] Tayson: All right. So sweet. Okay, I don't know if I've got anything else to add. I think that was I like that. We touched on that, though, I think. Labeling stuff is nice but I think all so knowing beforehand and maybe if you know some of those some of those events like I would think from what I've seen in some of the medical kits you could buy from a store. What times? They'll
[00:42:08] Tayson: just have like a little You know, a little like quick reference guide and I think those can be helpful too.
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